Elyon/Machiventa 9/21/97

[Rick P. Giles]

September 21, 1997
*       Elyon (Sandy TR):  Hello, this is Elyon.  We see that you
were successful at bringing Jeff here.  [Sandy said that she
wanted to introduce the teachers to Jeff.]  We have watched Jeff
before, and he has touched our hearts.                                       I would like to see
the group ask more questions, because that is where we are now. 
We have given lessons, and we don't know for sure that we are on
the same track as you are because we look at it differently, in
fact we are not always right.  For instance, in the case of
personality, we make mistakes.  A lot of the time it is because
of personality and our egos.  I would like to stress the point
today that we have no leaders out in front of the others.  We
wish for you to think of Christ Michael and God on the same level
as an angel or a guide or a teacher.  They want to embrace you,
and sometimes you make this difficult for them because you have
put them on a pedestal.  You are in the same boat as I; I just
live on another plane of existence.  
        We love to watch you day by day going about your chores and
your meditations, and forgive me, but some of the things you do
are hilarious!  This is the human side that we would like to know
more about, so I bid you to start bringing up the questions that
you have not dared yet ask us, mostly because you think it is too
small to get heavenly advice on.  If any of you did not know how
to tie your shoes, we would be very happy to show you.  Believe
me, we do not tie them the same as you do!  
        So, I will go to the back of the line now.  Thank you. 
*       Machiventa (Mark):  Greetings, this is Machiventa.  As Elyon
has stated, we have reached a turning point in our studies.  You
all have voluntarily enrolled as students in our spiritual
classroom.  We have faithfully executed our lesson plans to date. 
We have thoroughly discussed many subjects.  We now desire to ask
you, our students, for your observations, your level of
understanding, your questions off-topic.  These are a natural
part of the dialogue between students and their teachers.  
        It is all very well to remain attentive and observant as the
teacher fills the entire blackboard with principles,
relationships, and truths.  However, at some point it is
incumbent upon the student to clarify misunderstandings around
relationships and principles, to ask for deeper understanding of
details surrounding the major principles, even to ask how these
principles may influence and pervade into your everyday
existence.  This is how the student internalizes and becomes able
to externalize these principles once again.  You all do very well
to listen, and this is an aspect of your learning.  At this point
we would like to encourage you to offer a report of sorts.  You
have occupied a seat in the classroom for an extended period of
time, and now we may ask of each of you what have you learned? 
How do you understand?  What is it that you do not as of yet
understand?  How can we augment and change our lesson plans to be
more effective for your learning?  
        It is your role to be observant students and spend much time
questioning within your own minds our lessons.  It is also your
role at some point to be asked to give an accounting of what you
have learned, how it has affected you, how your outlook and
approach on life may have been altered, how you intend to use
this new knowledge you now possess.  What about all this still
has not settled into place?  It is an ongoing process one could
not expect to read or be present or hear a specific number of
times, and then the job is done.  Truth is an ongoing, living
process, one which takes your active participation.  
        So, I would ask each of you to consider what has had a major
impact on your spiritual progression?  How much of the lessons
has sunk deep into your spiritual wisdom?  Ask yourself, what do
I still not understand?  What do I need a little extra tutoring
to completely embrace?  What do I fully understand, and therefore
am qualified to disseminate this truth to others.  The final step
in many cases to finally internalizing or thoroughly learning a
principle is to be asked to relate this principle to those around
you.  It is the formulation of passing on this information that
really proves the depth of knowledge of a given topic.  If you
can accurately recount to another a principle, an ideal, then you
possess the knowledge of this.  Each of you may think: Could I
accurately convey a given principle?  If not, then what do I not
completely understand about this that I might learn.  
        I would ask that, not that we go around the circle here
today, but that each of you give some thought this week, from
your desk, what have you observed?  What principles are firmly
captured within your being and what principles still need some
illumination?  It is never a negative thing to realize that you
do not completely understand any given principle.  Rather, this
knowledge provides you the insight of what is needed to gain full
knowledge.  
        It is time that we begin to reverse these roles, you of so
patiently and so earnestly listening and us of so faithfully
attempting to impart our lesson plans.  There is a great distance
between what we project and what you internalize.  We now need to
illuminate this difference to root out any dark corners that are
yet unilluminated and to aggressively establish our ABCs.  If we
stumble we must return, through practice and diligence get it
right the next time, or the next.  There is no time limitation. 
You are in your seat in the classroom; you have shown your
diligence and patience to remain there.  We have complete faith
that you will stay for the duration and that you will all be in
complete possession of the principles we endeavor to outline to
you.  
        I thank you; we all deeply thank you for your devotion to
our classroom.  Without students there is no school, and you have
come freely of your own accord, filtering into our classroom,
returning week after week to build lesson upon lesson.  Unlike
your formalized schooling on your world, you are not required to
do this.  This is simply your freewill choice.  The benefits of
your faith reaching in this direction are numerous and plentiful.
        I look forward to seeing you back in class again.  Perhaps
this week you might start the first draft of a book report to be
issued so that we may all understand each other better.  We need
to have a complete understanding of what is understood, what is
still foggy, and what we need to address to tie together the
loose ends so that we have a nice, neat package to work on.  I
ask that you take this next assignment and return with observa-
tions, insights, even suggestions.  We need to know what your
perspective is, each one.  We need this to see how our classes
are being accepted, to test their effectiveness.  I ask you to
rate us, to give us honest and direct feedback as to what you
need as a student, as to what you would like from your teachers,
and how we may best serve each other. 
         I look forward to hearing from each of you.  I will now
step aside to allow for others, as there are always many more
teachers than you all have patience for.  Thank you for your
time.
        Evelyn:  I would like to ask one question.  A week or two
ago there was a transcript where you pointed out how similar you
are to us, and you mentioned many categories where you are simi-
lar to us, and one was that you ascended like us.  I would like
you to briefly - you don't have to go into detail - explain this. 
I didn't think melchizedeks ascended. 
*       Machiventa:  Any being who has spiritual capacity has the
capacity to ascend.  By this I mean that we as melchizedeks are
not stagnant in our condition; we attain different levels much as
you attain different levels.  This is the Father's gift to us as
it is the Father's gift to you.  If we were created to simply
maintain a position or station throughout eternity, never
growing, attaining, or learning, we would be shortchanged by the
Father. He builds into His plan for all creatures the potential
for growth and growth satisfaction.  We may not have the same
destiny, but we are indeed allowed the growth and attainment of
levels within our own career.  You would see these as perhaps
apples and oranges, different goals, different relationships, but
we are allowed the precious accomplishment of attaining yet even
greater levels, just as you are, in a sense.  Your destiny may be
different; your career will certainly take different paths, but
we are similar in that, as creatures both loved by the Father, we
are both given the opportunity for growth, accomplishment, for
the gaining of an enhanced spirituality.  
        Does this loosely address your question?
        Evelyn:  Obviously I understand that you grow.  I think it
was just the choice of words.  Thank you.  
*       Machiventa:  There are many, many, as I think you are aware,
orders of beings with their individual career paths of spiritual
progression.  No two would be necessarily equated to the other. 
However, all may be said to be attaining greater spiritual
awareness, plateaus, in their careers, and this is a gift of the
Father to each order of being, this sense of growth and accom-
plishment and learning.  While I do not share the same end result
as you or many other orders, I do enjoy my own spiritual
progression and attainments as you will enjoy yours along the
way. 
*       Elyon (Jonathan):  This is Elyon stepping forward again to
provide another of my well received visual aids.  I have for you
today a picture, and it is this:  You each are like a fence post
firmly embedded in the Fatherhood of God.  You are each connected
by line, by strand, by wire which is your brotherly fellowship. 
These lines can be thought of as mercy, ministry, and love;
truth, beauty, and goodness; of learning, loving, and living. 
Your connection as a fence line is community and fellowship. 
Some of you are in the position of being a corner post in the
role of supporting two lengths.
        Today I ask you to provide me with a meaningful
interpretation of the gate.  I await your replies.
        Mark:  I would offer that the gate implies flexibility.  It
can be open to allow the passage of truths, and it can be firmly
attached to corral these truths.  It's flexible, yet when
required it can hold fast to the connecting wires.  Without the
gate you have a rigid corral with no entrance or exit.  With a
gate you can let out or take in as necessary.
        Tom:  I see a fence as something that either keeps something
out or keeps something in.  In our role as fenceposts, I see you
all as the gate itself.  Like the shepherd and the sheep, the
gate and the fenceposts go together.  As to what we are keeping
in or out, I haven't come up with anything yet.  
*       Elyon:  You have well expressed a meaningful interpretation
of such a configuration of a gate within the fellowship fence,
for the development of community does imply a certain degree of
circumscription and does run the risk of exclusion or specialized
inclusion.  The fellowship fence benefits from the understanding
that it equally and simultaneously contains and excludes, that it
is not one-sided.   You are facing both sides of the fence at one
time.  Within your fenceline are all your brothers and sisters
who mutually share one another's support.  When anyone of you
begins to lean from the  burdens of your life, be they pressures
from the outside or confusion from within, you as fellows must
pull tightly upon your connections, your circuits with each other
to lift your fellow back into straight standing.  Because the
family of God is composed of nearly unlimited numbers of beings,
as time unfolds, this fence will stretch on forever.  
        I thank you for your comments and I emphasize to you the
importance of reflecting on Machiventa's assignment this week. 
Should you be at a loss to compose your questions or comments,
remember the other fenceposts and communicate with each other. 
It is not that we require you to solely develop your report.  In
our classroom we do not forbid you looking over one another's
shoulder.  This is a group-run classroom.  
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Rick Giles

Fact is like air. Wind is like truth. The moment we close the doors and windows
to our soul truth goes stale and ends up merely fact. Angels use the "air" of
human thinking to convey the "wind" of spiritual realities. RG
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In essence we're a chip off the old block; when my chip comes from where
your chip was we seem so similar. If my chip was from the other side of the
block we might find ourselves to be quite different. RG