[tmtranscripts] FW: Monjoronson - Audio Session #69 of 092909

[Tom Newbill]

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Monjoronson; Machiventa Melchizedek -  Drawing Power of the Master Spirit -
Value of Question Preambles - The Spirit of Truth as Group Guide - Sep 29,
2009 - Audio Session #69
Subject: Monjoronson.com Session #69
Teacher:  Monjoronson, Machiventa
T/R: Henry Zeringue
Moderator: Mary Rogers
September 29, 2009
 
Question This Session:
1 - Is There Bad Weather to Befall Morontia Beings?
2 - Does Master Spirit 7 have a Drawing Influence on Urantia Humans?
3 - Are Celestials Limited by T/R Perceptions in Their Answers?
4 - More on the Value of Question Preambles
5 - The Spirit of Truth rarely Works Individually - It Is A Group Guide
 
Prayer: Father, connect us in this present universe circuit of energy and
communication, this energy circuit which supplies us with the energy, the
thought, the courage to move into a superhuman area where we can touch base
with spirit and its intent, the product of spirit. We tap into this gravity
of time that lets us hitchhike on to eternity. Thank you again Mother and
Father for this wonderful universe connection and we thank you Monjoronson
and Machiventa for the time you both contribute to this planetary dream of
Michael's.
 
Monjoronson: This is Monjoronson. Greetings, this evening. We are ready to
begin.
 
Vicissitudes:
 
Question #1: Are morontia beings affected by the vicissitudes of our planet?
For instance, when it rains, do they get wet or when it's cold or hot, do
their bodies react to these external stimuli?
 
Machiventa: Greetings this evening, this is Machiventa. Thank you for this
questioning. It is hoped that in the morontia state, that humans pay more
attention to their spiritual directives and their growth within. Therefore
the spiritual universe accommodates its worlds in such a way that it becomes
tremendously comfortable to live and progressively grow. Your question
reflects a perspective of one coming from a much cruder environment such as
Urantia in which battling the elements and the external forces of nature
becomes somewhat overwhelming in your preoccupation to grow on this planet.
We thank you for your interest and we thank you for this question. Good
evening.
 
[Mary:] Thanks for being here Machiventa. We appreciate your indulgence with
that question.
 
Master Spirit Number Seven:
 
Preamble: The questioner sees that Master Spirit Number Seven reflects the
combined personalities of the Father, Eternal Son and Infinite Spirit. He
presides as head over the other master spirits and is responsible for the
oversight of the ascension candidates. The master spirits are a sevenfold
expression of the Paradise Trinity. We keep in mind that we can't discern
God the Supreme in this universe age but we can discern our master spirit.
 
Question #2: Are we drawn inward towards the master spirit just as we are
drawn inward by the spirit gravity of the Eternal Son?
 
Monjoronson: Good evening, this is Monjoronson. Thank you for this question
this evening. This question draws us to an interesting observation and I
have to say yes to your question because all spirit influence short of the
central universe, the Isle of Paradise, draws you inward with its spiritual
and spiritualizing influence. I am to remind you of the first time in your
earthly lives you think of someone briefly like an interrupted thought and
then shortly afterward you see them or they call you and you hear from them
and it was like a pre-eminence of their actuality. What you experience is
that the other person sets forth to meet you and you pick up on it in your
mind because you are conscious. This action becomes real, it becomes a force
within the universe. The intent of the master spirits or the Paradise
Eternal Son or the Infinite Spirit are intentional forces which the intent
does draw the mortal born seeker ever forward inward.
 
It is a tremendous paradigm that exists in the over watchful care of
Paradise Deities for the correct and reverent and responsible functioning of
the universes of time and space and all its inhabitants. It is difficult to
express because it is a quantum. It cannot be expressed in very simple
explanations yet the effects can be determined and felt even now in the
earth plane you are in today at present. In your thoughts and meditations it
is interesting to focus on these conceptual ideas and allow them to briefly
expand their presence in your consciousness. Thank you for this question
this evening.
 
Preambles in Submitted Questions:
 
Preamble: Thank you Monjoronson. The next few questions here concern the
preambles that are associated with questions that we submit to you. The
folks that harvest the questions and streamline them have a few questions
and the preamble to that question is as follows. We have some questions
regarding the preamble that often accompany questions. We understand that
preambles are not always necessary with well constructed questions, however
we find that they often have some use in determining prior knowledge and
intention. In turn there are times during the selection and moderating
process when we edit preambles for clarity or streamlining purposes. We are
requesting some feedback from your perspective please.
 
Question #3: Are you capable of perceiving additional information or insight
about the author of the question beyond the information shared in preambles?
 
Monjoronson: Greetings, this is Monjoronson. It is good that this question
about the preamble is asked because it is my understanding that the preamble
helps to set up within the T/R's mind a reference for the T/R to channel the
information from me through the T/R. I am able to perceive much more
information than I am able to transmit to the T/R. I must work with the
T/R's mind and intend while my intention going into the T/R pulls words and
thought patterns from the T/R's mind to access my energy signature. I am
aware of much more than the T/R is aware of yet for purposes of these
sessions, we work with the T/R's to pass through information from a
spiritual plane down into the human conscious level into the human plane of
actuality as audio and printed words. Therefore the preamble is necessary in
the erudite functioning of the T/R's mind.
 
This may also lead to your next question, then what you are saying is we are
limited by the T/R's ability to access information. And my answer would be
yes. On Urantia you are limited to what the T/R can access at that moment in
his superconscious connection to a down stepped spiritual connection because
we have to reach down as you attempt to come up and where we meet in this
sense of connection. Where two minds meet, the mind of spirit and the mind
of T/R, the ability of the T/R to access spirit mind and to access spirit
consciousness results in the ability of the T/R to correctly transmit the
information as it is perceived in that particular T/R's mind. This is the
analog version of the act of spirit/human communication. You may desire the
more assured connection and rightly so. In time as man begins to grow and as
spirit begins to reveal more, the connections will become greater. These
primitive connections rely chiefly on faith and
trust on the T/R and intent on the spirit end. Again, thank you for this
question.
 
Question #4: How much do preambles affect the direction you take in
responding to questions? Do the preambles now provide background information
that might help direct you in your response?
 
Monjoronson: Again, my response is directly parallel through the response of
the T/R.
 
Question #5: Would it be helpful if we did not streamline or exclude
information from the preamble?
 
Monjoronson: The effort to edit for a more precise human concept is
tremendously acceptable in presenting the background information to the
question, both for myself and the T/R.
 
Question #6: Are there any other suggestions that you might offer us in the
use of preambles when coming up with the questions we bring to you?
 
Monjoronson: In the preamble, the presentations up to date, the ones that
have begun with the editing and selection process are in line with my
intentions for this communication process to continue in there is not much
to add as to the subscriber asking the question is able to reference the
question correctly so that the information can specifically be targeted for
the area in which the subscriber petitions the question. What I am saying is
that some questions are vague and depending on the specific area of a vague
question, it must be specified in the preamble. Other questions, some
questions do not need a tremendous preamble but some questions do need
reference. Also for the audience reading the responses to the questions, the
preamble should set a tone both for the question and the answer. Thank you.
 
Discerning the Spirit of Truth:
 
Preamble: This question is a recycled and reformed rendition of an earlier
question regarding the 'Spirit of Truth' in an attempt to gain more clarity.
We have noticed that oftentimes individuals insist that they have
experienced an answer through the Spirit of Truth that is often perceived by
others as inaccurate. An example of this is the adamant denial of your
existence as our Magisterial Son claimed by those who say they have received
this from Michael as the Spirit of Truth. For this reason we ask the
following questions:
 
Question #7: What is [are] the mechanism[s] that may hinder one from
accurately perceiving their Spirit of Truth?
 
Monjoronson : Again this is a tremendously vague and general question. The
Spirit of Truth is a spiritual circuitry left by the Creator Son on His
bestowal mission. The accessing of all spirit is conditioned by the human
response mechanism. The human response mechanism is an organic and analog
mechanism. It is an archaic mechanism. It is not an accurately perceived
mechanism. This is not to say that all spirit induced transmission is not
accurate, it is meant to say that the human reciprocation of receiving the
information is not a tremendously perfect and accurate system, the same for
everyone. It varies with the individual.
 
One thing is for certain. Mankind is at the advantage to have spirit comply
with mans wishes and desires in his expressing to his brothers. This has
always been the truth, even when Moses supposedly went up to the mountain
and viewed the burning bush to receive the ten commandments which he
meticulously carved in stone, he somehow forgot the most important
commandment. So throughout mans history there has always been an aberration
where the man/spirit connection takes place. This was why Michael Himself
came personally to Urantia. Even then, as you read in the recorded records
made available to you by your own midwayer commission, still some will not
respond to the words. Some respond in the way in which the words are meant
for them to respond and then again others will take the words and bend them
and do whatever manipulation is necessary to make them edify some human
concept, just like the religion of Jesus has been turned into a religion
about Jesus so that mankind becomes less responsible for his own spiritual
development and then becomes enslaved to a belief system.
 
This goes to show that all spirit/human connection must eventually be
personal. One should not rely, put ones spiritual worth in the belief of one
transmitters answer. Always must one seek personally for the spirit
influence you seek for it is just as easy to contact myself Monjoronson,
Machiventa, Father, Master Spirit number Seven, Michael or Nebadonia, any
other personality in the universe. This is all available to every one of
you. It matters not whether you transmit but that you seek within to
discover the truth for yourself because truth discovered will never be the
same but all truths combined will work together, will fit together, they are
all on the same page and if something is not truth, then before truth it
becomes a mere shadow of a lesser substance until it vanishes. Thank you for
this question.
 
Question #8: Is there any advice you could offer us on how to better make
this connection with the Spirit of Truth so that we can check ourselves from
misperception?
 
Monjoronson: The Spirit of Truth is a spirit which works where two and three
people are gathered. The Spirit of Truth rarely works individually. I am not
saying it does not work individually, I am just saying it rarely works
individually. It is better perceived amongst the group for it is meant to be
a group connecting spirit, a gregarious spirit. In this sense, the dynamic
changes between an individual, communication with another person,
communication with a third person and communication between three or more
people, the dynamic changes. The dynamic of the Spirit of Truth is activated
when the third person comes in, though it is also activated when a second
person is there but the dynamic shifts and the activation is secure with
three people. 
 
The perceiving of the Spirit of Truth works through the individuals
involved, through their effort to function and solve a problem and create a
situation together which corrects their dilemma. This is necessary for the
spirit of counsel to also work with the Spirit of Truth. All adjutant
spirits work with the Spirit of Truth, especially the spirit of counsel. The
multitude action of spirit, the varying circuits, the Father's circuit, the
Son's circuit and the Infinite Spirit's circuit all operate as a harmonizing
effect. The effect of the Spirit of Truth amongst gathered men is also to
create a harmonizing effect to augment the cooperative acknowledging, the
reciprocal recognition, brotherhood, the spirit of men and women in a joyful
reference. Thank you for this question.
 
Mary: Thank you Monjoronson, that is the last question we have this evening
and we certainly appreciate you working with us and being with us as well as
Machiventa’s presence here this evening. Thank you.
 
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