[tmtranscripts] FW: 84 Monjoronson Session 84 January 19, 2010

[Tom Newbill]

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     Monjoronson - Reality - Intelligence Gathering - Education - Jan 19,
2010 - Audio Session #84
     Subject: Monjoronson.com Q/A Session #84  2010-01-19
    Teacher: Monjoronson
    T/R: Mark Rogers
    Moderator: Mary Rogers
    January 19, 2010

    Subjects Discussed this Session
  
Reality         
  Watchers (Intelligence Gathering)
  Education
 
 
Prayer: [Mary] We want to pause for a moment and circle up with our human
partners for this endeavors. So let's gather around the campfire and warm
our hands together and let go of the cares of the day and move into a
different reality of connection, of reaching out to our spiritual helpers,
to Monjoronson. We gather here Monjoronson, with the intention to fan the
flames of truth so that we can see better by the light. Join us this
evening.

Monjoronson: I gladly accept your invitation to come and  join you around
the warm glow of spirit. Truly it is a joy to make an effort to step forward
out of the darkness and shadows and come into the presence of the light by
an act of our will and our desire to do so together. I welcome the
opportunity you provide to engage with you in this service project we have
come to know as the Monjoronson.com question session. I arrive eager to
participate and I sense you do as well so let us begin.

Reality:
 
As we progress spiritually, it seems as though we run into intersections
that forces us to re-examine and question the authenticity of our beliefs.

Question #1: Can two opposite realities be correct for instance, one based
on the Urantia Book declarations and the other on what seems like
superstitions and primitive belief systems?

Monjoronson: Thank you for this question and I would state the answer first
quite simply. There are as many different realities as there are observers
of these realities. That is, each and every observer makes real what was a
potential reality and brings it to life, gives it life and infuses it with
life by choosing it and acting in accordance with this choice. Such an act
takes potential and creates actual and therefore you observe from your
perspective the "vast different realities being so dissimilar" but I remind
you that in the greater picture, has not the Father created all potentials
which then may be chose to be actual realities?

You will observe in your consideration of the practice of medicine that very
much is dependent upon the relationship with the healer and this healer may
be one you are familiar with as a doctor but it may be others who you are
not familiar with such as traditional healers or spiritual healers.
Nevertheless, those who believe and encounter these alternate realities
would testify that they are quite real and quite effective to the degree
that they immerse themselves in the experience to be had. You have a saying
on your world: "If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one about to
observe it, did it really make a sound?" While no physical act such as a
tree falling could be silent, this refers to the value of the observer in
the equation. Without being observed or heard, if there is no living
presence in the equation to interpret such a sound then it may be considered
to have been missed because only those things which have been observed can
be counted as reality.

Therefore it is quite true that innumerable different realities exist side
by side. You have luxury and wealth existing side  by side with poverty and
starvation. You have different climates happening simultaneously all over
your world. You could consider those opposite realities yet they exist side
by side and as real to the observers as is possible. I hope this serves to
address your line of questioning. Thank you.

Question #2: After death, does each individual continue to create his own
reality like a bubble in which he lives and experiences and grows until he
reaches the portals of Paradise?

Monjoronson: Again, thank you for this question and the short answer is yes.
I have referred to this condition a number of times as being a condition
termed your 'mini-verse' of experience. This bubble, as you refer to it, is
the reality that you choose to actualize around you and the beauty and grace
of this divine plan is that each of you will choose a different combination
to claim as your reality thereby making distinct and different 'mini-verses'
which you do indeed carry with you as the result of the choices you've made
and your experiences in your ascension career. This is one of the great acts
of grace which allow so many different experiences, in fact every different
experience to be encountered and be made real out of what was potential.
This unique combination of your individual 'mini-verse' also represents your
gift to the Supreme, your contribution to the overall and if every
experience has been chosen and experienced and then every accumulation of
these experiences has been brought home to the First Source and Center, then
this contribution to the Supreme allows the expression of all that could
have been into all that is. Thank you.

Watchers: [Intelligence Gathering]
 
This question is in reference to the means by which celestials may gather
information about the conditions on Urantia. Many different aspects of
development may be of interest such as Urantia's political, sociological and
scientific  evolution.

Question #3: Are celestials aware of the flow of this kind of data on the
internet?

Monjoronson: Thank you for this line of questioning. I discern the perhaps
deeper question that is being sought is do spiritual personalities ever
invade the privacy of human personality to discern any given direction? I
would state for you at the outset that you have complete sovereignty over
your individual self. That being said, what you share either through your
words or your deeds or even your prayerful thoughts are offered out there to
the world at large to be observed by all manner of beings including
celestial personalities. This certainly includes your posting on the
internet, your conversations with friends and your actions in regard to what
you have formulated as position and opinion.

As I mentioned before, everything is observed by those who are observant and
celestial personalities need only observe what you are watching, what you
are writing, what you are saying, what you are doing and all of these are
clear to a universe at large. They are not difficult of discernment,
particularly to spiritual beings. They are easily discerned even by mortals
of the realm who would willingly judge and determine your position based
upon your writings and sayings and actions. The spiritual dimension of
prayer and worship does however offer a unique mechanism for insight into
the soul because by engaging in prayer, worship and similar ministry, you in
a very real sense plug into the collective and thereby offer yourself for
upgrade or download and this act does provide greater latitude to your
spiritual component.

So between these aspects, it is not at all difficult to observe pattern and
trends and easily to see shifts in consciousness, behavior and awareness
that transpire as a result. In the great universe, all is known save your
individual citadel of self which you may choose to maintain as private if
you so desire. Thank you for this question.

Question #4: Do the celestials gather data from our Thought Adjusters and
the Planetary Supreme? Do indicators "light up" when 'we' reach certain
"milestones"? [I don't know if the questioner means 'we' as an individual or
'we' as a planet or global citizenry.]

Monjoronson: Thank you for this question. As I stated in the greater
context, all things which are actions and deeds are known in the universal
scope. When a politician makes a statement or a speech and puts that out
there, it then may become known by all and reality has been created,
observed by many and solidified by all those who follow and believe.
Therefore all of those forms of monitoring are easily done.

Your question refers to certain benchmarks or standards that may be reached
by individuals or groups or even planets and I would affirm for you that
there certainly exists, much as there exists in your society, certain
benchmarks which indicate individual growth, group growth, even planetary
growth. When one goes through grade school there comes a day when they
graduate from grade school and are transferred over to middle school and
then transferred again to high school. These are benchmarks which are
culturally accepted as points of acknowledgement, celebration and
achievement.

Likewise in your individual spiritual ascension there are such benchmarks
which you pursue, achieve, arrive at and celebrate the achievement then
knuckle down and work some more, achieve some more and eventually arrive at
another benchmark of growth. In keeping in context with my declaration that,
in a friendly universe all things are known, such accomplishments are not
hidden or disguised. They are clearly discernible and just as a birthday
party or a graduation, they are celebrated, they are recognized as a point
of achievement. As individuals, you all attain these benchmarks and when
enough individuals attain certain benchmarks then it is also clear and
obvious to those who are observing that a race or a culture or a tribe or a
group of individuals have thus made such accomplishments and there is
celebration. When enough individuals on a planet or a world have grown
through their own efforts and as well their collective efforts, there
certainly arrives planetary times of significance.

You all who are here to observe these words will also be here to observe one
of these rather rare episodes where not only have individuals risen to a
plateau worthy of acknowledgement but you will see what happens when enough
individuals tip the balance and indeed "light up" as observed by all those
who are in attention. We will be graced to witness these events and they
will be part of our experiential bubble that we will make real and take with
us throughout our travels in spirit. I hope this has served to illuminate
some of your questions.

Preamble: In a transcript from 2004, one who observed Urantia from outside
the planet said this: "We have watched from the outside for a very long time
until it is appropriate for us to appear." His remark was prefaced
with..."Know that we too serve Michael and His mission on this planet. This
is the beginning of the recognition of our presence among you and it will
become more overt, more of the world will recognize this reality and we will
be part of the conversions, part of the Correcting Time. At times we would
like you to know that Michael rides with us!"

Question #5: Does this indicate that other inhabited planets gather
intelligence on newer inhabited planets like ours and are these activities
co-ordinated with some spiritual agencies?

Monjoronson: Thank you for this question. This extrapolates out this idea of
being observed not only as individuals but also as a world, as a developing
sphere and as you surmise, this pattern holds true, repeated over and over.
This question illustrates that you are growing exponentially in your seat of
observation for you are now concerned with your planet being observed and
intelligence gathered about your world. Once again I say, it is a closed
system. All is known to those who know it within the system, therefore it is
easy to establish that there are greater and greater ones who observe the
process and as to whether this is all co-ordinated by some central source,
of course that speaks to the center of all that is and yes, all that is, is
co-ordinated by this center.

This is a significant point to establish because all these associated dots
that your questions imply are all pointing to this idea of connection to
all, that is by virtue of being a fragment of all that is potential. And so
this statement offered could easily refer to another developed world, to
your off-world brothers and sisters who most certainly monitor this planet
and the actions that take place upon it and who desire to perform service
and ministry as they see fit. There are also legions of spiritual superiors
who are observing constantly the goings on in the classroom and on the
playgrounds. Indeed, the whole program is quite in order and quite
orchestrated by divine ministry and all those who you may relate to or even
associate with in the spiritual realm are all quite co-ordinated under the
divine mandates and parameters that are established.

I encourage you to expand the scope of your consideration to the largest you
can grasp because your experiences here on this planet are so miniscule when
compared to the universe and the universe of universes and Paradise, that
this opening up of your awareness to accept that you are part of this
gigantic enterprise brings you close to what is infinite. It brings the
material and mortal close to the Divine and though your mind may not fully
comprehend these magnitudes of order that does not mean they do not exist
and your individual realities will embrace them in due time. Thank you for
this line of questioning.

Education : [Of the Roughest Kind]
 
Preamble: A secondary midwayer chief was discussing the history of the
upbringing of the midwayers on Urantia saying how poor their initial
education was as young midwayers. In part ABC22 observed that during the
Lucifer Rebellion it was, "Politics my dear brother, a war of words, ideas,
lures, controversy and ideals...A great number of us lost the ability to
discern right from wrong - God's will from any selfish proposal that suited
at that very moment. And gradually, the larger number of us went out of
control."

Question #6: May the same be said about Urantia's human population and for
some of the same causes? And may that population look forward to the same
kind of discipline and attention the midwayers received at the conclusion of
the Lucifer Rebellion as part of the Correcting Time?

Monjoronson: Thank you for this question. That preamble that was offered, I
grant you, sounds hauntingly familiar does it not? Truly this world is
fraught with examples of individual races, groups, and orders, who have lost
their way, who have been overcome by the darkness of materialism and
personal self interests. But referring back to the original question
tonight, this world provides all realities side by side to be chosen and
that is what makes fertile ground for building character, making the
individual choices that determine your individual reality and your sphere of
self that you take with you.

Truly these choices represent a gift of grace from on high for you are not
ordered which way to choose, you are not directed how to spend your choice.
Rather you are given latitude to make your choices and observe the
consequences of your actions and then to determine whether the choice was
appropriate or not. And here is the good part; you are constantly offered a
chance to re-choose. You are not locked into any initial choice or previous
choice. Rather, each day, each hour of each day there is an opportunity for
you to re-choose. Would you do the same things, say the same things, act the
same way, having had the opportunity to experience the results of this
choice or would you refine your choice now knowing more about it than you
did before?

Indeed every day that you are present to make choices you are a new and
different person resulting from all the choices you made in the previous day
and all the considerations about such choices that have changed your
perspective and altered your character. I understand and I agree that there
appear many sad episodes of individuals and groups, and nations, making poor
choices and following paths which have turned out to be fruitless or even
harmful but this is how one learns. They may be told that such a choice will
cause such a negative adverse effect, but until they encounter this for
themselves this is not a lesson, this is merely advice. When an individual
knows first hand because they have actuated the potentials and created the
reality based upon their choice, then it is real to them. Then it may be
harvested as a genuine experience. [The effects of choice are ] not some
hearsay or some advice offered but rather as a genuine matter of personal
experience and there is no substitute in all the universe for such a value
that is received from such a personal experience.

Therefore must the situation of a world such as this be filled with
potential of all kinds and while you have witnessed many poor choices or
choices that have led people away from divinity, from God, from connection,
from spirit, likewise there are the opposite potentials present as well that
may be chosen, that will be chosen when all those who have tried another way
will forsake it and try a new way. They will re-choose in the day of their
choice, in the hour of their choice they will re-choose and they will choose
the spiritual way and it will be because they came to it themselves. They
were not ordered from on high or directed by rule of law but rather because
they themselves desired it and chose it. While the road may appear difficult
to arrive at this place, arriving at this place is what the road was built
for. I hope this makes sense in context with your question. Thank you.

Mary: Absolutely, thank you Monjoronson very much. We appreciate you
gathering with us here and guiding our thoughts and questions into paths
that lead us to our destination and desire, community and oneness and
God-ness Thank you.
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