[tmtranscripts] Special Session, Jan. 29, 2010

[Roxanne Andrews]

Special Session - Forgiveness - Jan. 29, 2010

 

Teacher:  Monjoronson

 

Topic:  Forgiveness

 

TR:  Daniel Raphael

 

Moderator:  Vicki Vanderheyden

 

January 29, 2010

 

[Connection with spirit preceded session.]

 

Daniel:  See the silver cord coming from Paradise through your crown chakra.  Its energy flows into your body and fills your whole body with light, every cell of your body is filled with light and your mind is clear.  And there is a golden cord connecting your base chakra to earth center, and this completes the wonderful circuit of energy that we feel.  We invoke the presence of the Holy Father with us here, to fill our minds and our bodies with his presence for clarity of understanding and clarity of answers.  We give thanks for this presence and we remain present during this wonderful episode, and we give thanks.  Amen.

 

Vicki:  First, let me say I'm both grateful and humbled by this opportunity to serve as moderator to you, Monjoronson, on behalf of Michael and our Father.  I would also like to thank Daniel and Roxanne for their roles in this process.  I am new at this, and in the spirit of experimentation, wish to try a new approach, here and there, and so before we begin-and if you are willing-I have some questions related to my role and the process.

 

MONJORONSON:  This is Monjoronson.  I would be most happy to answer your questions, dear one.

 

Vicki:  Thank you, Monjoronson.  My first question is:  How do you feel about our plan to expand the moderator base?

 

MONJORONSON:  This is a wonderful beginning that you have, and I say "beginning" because it will be replicated around the world, numerous times in the future, so let us begin.

 

Vicki:  My second question is:  In honoring your request to ask questions that have a spiritual growth value and will assist us in our co-creative endeavors, I'm wondering if a thematic approach where one topic is covered in more depth for each session would be more helpful?  How do you feel about this?

 

MONJORONSON:  This is an excellent approach; do not be restrained by asking about one topic, however, during the session, as we can cover several topics at a time, but not simultaneously, so the theme approach is a wonderful way to get depth of understanding about a topic.

 

Vicki:  Thank you.  My third question is:  If I am understanding correctly, it is a time for us to expand our circle of participants to those of different faiths, in an effort to unify or bridge common beliefs, and to establish some common language, where we can.  The intention would be to support the Urantia Book Revelation by exploring in more depth, those intertwining groups within every religion, or metaphorically speaking, the "one river beneath many wells."  Am I correct in this assumption?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, but there is more to it than that, as the approach is important to keep in mind.  One is that we move forward continuously speaking and publishing our work.  We do make references to the Urantia Book, and those who are missing out on the language will be curious to look into that book; however, we do not wish to overly promote the Urantia Book as we do not want our program to become doctrinaire.

 

Vicki:  Thank you, I understand.  Then this is my next question, which you may have partially answered here:  In doing so, questions may be asked that have terms and possible concepts not found in the Urantia Book, that are indigenous to these differing beliefs, such as the term, for instance, "chakras" or the reference to "the blood of Christ."  This is a sensitive area for some in our movement, for they fear that it will distort or misrepresent the contents of the Urantia Book.  And as you have indicated, it sounds like we do not want to restrict ourselves in that way.  Could you offer me some guidelines as to what you would consider appropriate?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, we will use the language that is colloquial to this culture, as this is how people of this culture think, and how they relate.  The word, such as "chakra" is a colloquial usage that is typical in other cultures, as well besides the Western world.  We do not wish to remain strictly adhering to the language of the Urantia Book, as it is in itself over 50 years old at this time, and though it is contemporary, it has some "languaging" that may seem to be antiquarian to others.  As this approach comes to the attention of many across the world, we wish to approach them to make them comfortable so they understand the nature of what we are doing.  The identification and mortal stamp of approval of the Urantia Book is not necessary, as the thought pattern and theory of its philosophies and of its teachings are pervasive in the work that we do.  Thank you.

 

Vicki:  Thank you, Monjoronson.  Since I have been brought onboard to select and edit questions to present to you, I've struggled with the validity or the invalidity of curiosity questions.  This is a result of my teaching experience, where often I found that stimulating curiosity led to a deeper desire to learn.  I have resolved this in feeling that curiosity questions are appropriate if they lead to a spiritual growth value.  Do you agree?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes.

 

Vicki:  Thank you.  With events unfolding that relate to death and dying, I'm sensing a need to address these issues in ways that provide more insight and comfort to those who are involved in this process.  Are these appropriate questions to present to you, or should we perhaps seek the counsel of another, such as Michael, Machiventa or Nebadonia?

 

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to approach those questions.  Machiventa and I are of almost "one mind," so to speak, and that I have appropriated a great deal of his earthly experience in our association to prepare me for this mission that we have begun.  You are welcome to ask the questions of myself, though Machiventa perhaps would be more appropriate as he has had living experience upon this world, and has been a minister to those who have experienced death while he was here in the flesh.  You are welcome to make that choice yourself.

 

Vicki:  Thank you very much, Monjoronson.  I ask if there is any additional advice you feel we would benefit from [during these special sessions]?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, I would hope that we would have a more casual and informal approach to this, as you would want to get acquainted with someone who was at your home, chatting about such subjects over coffee or tea and munching cookies.  We do not want to make this overly formal and staid and stiff, but rather "comfortable," so that you feel at peace and at ease, and that you could ask those questions which perhaps may be curiosity questions, but also pique your interest to know more about.  So do not be overly formal about this; know that I will assist you in guidelines if you stray outside the boundaries.  And please do not be offended if I do so.

 

Vicki:  All right, thank you.  I couldn't ask for more, and it is also my desire to make it more conversational.  Thank you again, Monjoronson, for your patience and insight.  

 

I have created a statement, that it is an indication of our intention here:  Since "forgiveness" is at the very heart of your mission, and is a crucial component in the healing of what ails us on our planet, we are devoting this session to questions related to the theme of forgiveness.  I will begin with our first question:  It appears that to truly forgive, and sustain those feelings of forgiveness, that there are multiple layers and depths that we must travel.  Can you give us some insight into this process?

 

MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  Forgiveness is always related to either one of several situations:  The first is, someone does something wrong to you, and you have need to forgive them.  Second, you also have need to forgive yourself as well from your negative emotional reaction to that offense.  Third, you must forgive yourself, as you offend others, for just as someone can offend you, you can offend others.  There is a need to forgive that person and to forgive yourself for reacting to that offense.  Do you understand?  (Yes, very much so.)  Most mortals on Urantia think only in terms of forgiving someone else, when someone has offended them, insulted them or treated them poorly, and that they must rise above the situation to forgive that person.  Yet, forgiveness is automatic when you have achieved the master/teacher position of Christ Michael as Jesus, and other masters, and this is the teaching position that you all must aspire to, to really have learned your lessons during the flesh.

 

Vicki:  Thank you.  That brings to mind one of my other questions, and it relates to the depths and the layers of forgiveness that we must travel.  That question is:  That there are times from a personal standpoint, when a person may feel a need to intellectually or philosophically forgive, and yet they don't feel that desire yet in their heart.  How do we reconcile this?

 

MONJORONSON:  Let us answer an earlier question that you have not asked,  (with a chuckle,) and that deals with those multiple layers of forgiveness that is involved.  When someone offends you, you receive this into your being.  You have an emotional reaction, which affects you at the cellular level.  You not only have a mental memory of this, you also have a cellular memory of this event.  To overly intellectualize this process misses the point tremendously, as you must take efforts to release the energy that is locked into your mind about that event, and also release the energy locked at the cellular level in your body.  Failure to do this will not lead to complete forgiveness; it will lead you only to intellectual forgiveness.  You will go through the motions of forgiveness by using the language, but without using your heart, or without using your body to release that.  Do you understand?  

 

Vicki:  Yes, I do, and my next question would be:  How do we go about that?

 

MONJORONSON:  You can go about that through various exercises, both physical exercises and mental exercises.  At the physical level, you would want to be able to release that energy through exercise, through deprivation of water or food, or through exertion or exhaustion.  You can achieve this effectively when you exercise your body physically, and at the same time repeat affirmations of forgiveness for this activity, this event that occurred.  You would state during your physical exercise that you are releasing all energy of the memory of the offense for which you need to forgive.  Forgiveness is an exercise; it is a label that you give to an exercise, both mental and physical for releasing that energy.  To say, "I forgive you," is just simply saying the words-there must be something more that underlies those words.  

You must "exhaust" the energy within you to have a complete release of the toxins of those memories.  When I say "exhaust" I use the metaphor of an internal combustion engine where the fuel (memories) are burned up by physical exercise that is guided by your intention for doing so, and your verbal repetition of that statement.  Doing so, you release the spent exhaust to the universe.

To release or get rid of that energy at all levels, saying, "I forgive you" at the dinner table, for example, when somebody has said something wrong to you, is to go through the motions of forgiveness.  It is much like you have read about being blessed, when someone says, "I bless you." Those are nice words, but it really is a statement, words, that identify a deeper level of action within you energetically.  

Just as in blessing when I say to you, Vicki, that "I forgive you," I send my energy to you and I forgive you.  When I say, "I bless you," I send my energy, too, that fills your body, your mind, your being and your presence in all regards, so that you simply glow with blessing.  So, too, must you release the energy in your body and in your mind when you say, "I forgive."  It is a drawing out of the poison, so to speak, of un-forgiveness, then releasing it to the universe to absorb.  If you do not know how to do this energetically, then what you do is, "I call upon Christ Michael, my Lord and Teacher, to receive the un-forgiveness I have in my heart about you."  Is this clearer now?

Vicki:  Very much so, and I am very thankful and appreciative that you have given us some technique that will be valuable to others.  (You are welcome.)  

MONJORONSON:  I wish to go back to the four positions of forgiveness with you, if I might?  (Yes, that would be wonderful, thank you.)

Just as you would forgive someone who has offended you, it also says something about you that you were offended.  It means that you have growth to do inside yourself.  Let us say that you said something unworthy to Jesus, who was in front of you.  You know now that your words would have no effect upon him; he would not feel bad; he would not feel remorseful for himself or for you.  He would teach you to understand that you have not learned the lessons of fully being loving, for were you being fully loving you would not have said the words.  Further, were you fully loving you would not have been offended by someone's words that caused offense.  If you are truly understanding of your growth as a Teacher, there is no offense received; you simply understand where this person is coming from, as you would say, because they are immature; they are undeveloped; they are un-evolved in spirit, and that they say these offensive things because they do not know any better.  And being in the Teacher position, you know those things about that person and do not react to his or her words.  

So there is a duty involved in the process of forgiveness:  one is to forgive the person who said something or did something offensive to you, knowing that they did not know any better; and second, is that you forgive yourself for reacting, because you did not know any better, and that you need to grow and learn to be more loving.  Feeling offense is an energetic reaction of an un-evolved spiritual being.  You have work to do-this is what it says to you, when you feel angry at some situation for something that somebody said.  It means that you have work to do.  And then the question is, "What is this about in me?  Where do I need to grow?  What do I need to see to become more completely full, mature and evolved, so that I do not become angry and need to forgive someone else, and forgive myself and evolve?  

The feelings that you receive from others, whether it is anger, resentment, jealousy, envy, lust or hate, are all reactions within you of incompleteness.  They are statements that say, "I need to grow."  And the more you live in negative emotional reactions is a statement to your life that you need to grow immensely, to grow greatly.  As you grow in fullness of your being-meaning the fullness of your capacity to love-these negative emotions will no longer pervade your being, but you will be filled and shot through with love and forgiveness, forbearance, tolerance and patience, to name only a few.  These are the areas to grow into.  As you grow in these positive values and positive emotional reactions, you will have grown in spirit, so that you will be un-offended by someone who has said something negative to you.  Thank you for allowing me to expound on this.

Vicki:  Thank you for expounding on this!  So this explains why some people seem sincere in their forgiveness to another, but then cannot sustain that forgiveness.  Is that close?  (Monjoronson:  Exactly!)

I'm going to move to questions that have more of a global direction.  My first has a preamble, that I have written, and it says:  I can see that it is much easier to forgive another when there has been a history of a loving relationship, such as you have with a family member or a friend.  However, when individuals are asked to forgive an entity so large as a nation, a religion or an arm of government, it's easy to depersonalize and fall back on deep feelings of oppression that have lasted for generations.  How should we then proceed in a way that produces a lasting effect?  In other words, where do we begin?

MONJORONSON:  You always begin with yourself, and you begin with the individual.  You make a mistake of hating nations and hating cultures and ethnic groups as a generality.  This leads you into impersonalising your own feelings for yourself and your own nation and your own people.  Nations are not individuals; nations do not have souls-neither do organizations have souls or personality.  They have none of those characteristics, which would assist them to surpass this mortal lifetime into the afterlife, and proceed towards Havona and Paradise.  

These are temporary organizations which you have personified, and your personification of these nations gives rise in you to hold hostility against many people, whereas if you were to relate to one individual of that nation, you would probably find them worthy and deserving of your affection and your attention, your presence in their life, and you would be curious to know more about them.  Nations are not people; they are not individuals; you miss the point of your growth when you personify groups of people and say they are good or bad.  They are not individuals.  You would be better to look at the intentions of those groups, those collective bodies, and see what is it that these people are striving to do.  What is it that makes them hostile?  What is it that makes them violent?  What is it that they are lacking?  For when you address what individuals are lacking within a group, you will begin to erode the impersonal nature of those people; you will see them as needy and needful; you will see them as needing to grow in their culture to become "one" in the world.  What is it that they need to be a sustainable citizen with you, with the world?

Vicki:  Thank you, Monjoronson.  That explains a lot, "the disconnect" that I feel sometimes when leaders are not assisting individuals in their populations to forgive and move on and unify.  And yet, there are times, I'm sure, when individual factional groups that live side-by-side like in the Middle East, actually develop friendship with individuals of the other faction.  I have always felt that there was a disconnect.  How do we take those two processes and bring them together?  I'm not sure if I am making sense here.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, and if you are able to see this disconnect, if you are able to see how political leaders manipulate their people and manipulate everyone to "get onboard," on the same direction, then you will have discovered a great deal about how nations gain identity.  This whole process is a huge element that we must overcome before the earliest stages of light and life can begin to appear in your world.  National identity, national images must be dissolved, so that all people of all nations see each other around the world as one, as one nation, one people, one civilization, one culture.  You see now why it will take decades and centuries for us to overcome this.  It is a sense of identity, of national ego, of separatism that must be overcome.  These are the very fundamentals of what you have been asking about.

Vicki:  Yes, they are.  Thank you.  During the truth and reconciliation hearings of South Africa, following the apartheid, the intent was to promote healing and national unity through forgiveness, and the main objective was to uncover the truth about past abuse, using amnesty as a mechanism, rather than punishing crimes.  It appears from the studies done, afterward, that the level of healing for those who participated, varied considerably-which I would expect, since we are all in a different place in our development and in our healing-but that much was gained in understanding the process and the many contributing factors to so much oppression.  My question is:  Do you see this as a viable option to promote global peace among nations?  If so, in what ways?

MONJORONSON: Yes, it is a very valuable process.  It requires a very higher mind for doing this.  It draws a line in the sand of time, stating all before this is history.  It is not a matter of forgiveness or retribution for past actions; they simply are seen as non-existing so that from this moment forward, all is new, and that those who had created great violence, if they were to live in peace, they would not be harmed, they would not be bothered about what occurred in the past, because the past is virtually non-existent any more.   It relieves the mind of having to remember vengeance, remembering the incidents and having to act out vengeance for those past atrocities, crimes or difficulties on both sides.  Amnesty and this process says, as of this date, the past no longer exists; we are "one" now and let us live as "one."  

Vicki:  Are the truth in reconciliation hearings similar to a process we may participate in during our ascension career?

MONJORONSON:  No.  Your education begins truly in the mansion worlds, where you learn everything that is new and worthwhile.  You will not be bothered about the crimes and sins of your life, but only the positive attributes and experiences that you bring forward that will contribute to the future.  The amnesty and forgiveness are issues for this material world as a higher-minded compromise situation, which allows all parties to move forward peacefully, while still recognizing those things that occurred.  Your tribunals will occur during your ascension-this world is in a particular situation where each individual is assessed as they make their migration to the mansion worlds.  Those individuals who are so adamantly against moving ahead or accepting their part in the universe, who deny their sonship with God, who live and desire to live in iniquity do not move forward.  They wish to remain in ignorance, no matter what light is given them.  Perhaps I have gone astray from your question.

Vicki:  Thank you, Monjoronson, for that.  We are often asked to separate "judgment" from the act of forgiveness.  Can you give us some guidelines on how to do that?

MONJORONSON:  First of all, judgment is an act of separation.  Judgment pushes the other person away at arms length and farther saying, "We are separate, we are apart."  Judgment also creates separation from yourself and the oneness of God, the oneness with your Thought Adjuster.  Judgment is a conscious decision; it may only take a fraction of a second to assume, but it causes separation.  Any form of separation from others also keeps you in separation from your connection with your Thought Adjuster, from Christ Michael, from Jesus and from the First Source and Center.  Judgment is as much an act against yourself as it is against the person to whom you have judgment.  Again, it is that position similar to forgiveness; it is a parallel; it is a summation of non-forgiveness-it says, "You are apart from me, and be gone from me," and it puts you in the position of arrogance, saying that you are better, where in fact, un-forgiveness and judgment operate on similar levels and keep you apart from moving into wholeness with your emotions, with the higher values of the universe.  Does this make sense to you?

Vicki:  Yes, it does.  In understanding it, the way to separate yourself from it then is to basically refuse to be a part of that.  Is that correct?

MONJORONSON:  Judgment is a conclusion to unforgiveness.  It is a statement that "I am unforgiving."  It also says, ironically, that you are incapable of learning.

Vicki:  Thank you, Monjoronson, for that.  I'm sure you've covered some of this already, but it is so common to hear, that I would like you to speak to it, if you may.  It's common to hear someone say, "I will forgive this person, but I will not forget what he or she has done."  Can you speak to this, please?

MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  This can operate on several levels.  One is that they truly forgive that individual, knowing that that instant will always remain in memory.  What is hoped for from your Guardians and your Thought Adjuster is that as you say, "I forgive," you also defuse the energy in the image that is held in memory, so that it becomes a neutral memory-a photograph negative without energy-there is no color to it, it is simply black and white, it is static, it does not move, it is simply a recording in your mind without energy.  All too often, people say, "I forgive you, but I do not forget," meaning that they are ready and armed in the future for this person to act out again, and they hold energy about that.  In other words, they have perhaps intellectualized their forgiveness without defusing the energy, and they are intentionally protecting themselves from acting out, that they remind themselves to hold this in memory, but have forgiven it, ready to pull the trigger on their unforgiveness in the future.  Truly, if you say, "I forgive you but I will remember this," and honestly say that you remember it but do not hold any grudges and readiness to strike out in the future, then you live in a spiritual reality that maximizes your capacity as a mortal of Urantia.

Vicki:  Thank you.  One last question:  For those who have a personal relationship with God, it has been suggested to ask for spiritual guidance in the healing process, yet on our planet there are many who do not acknowledge the existence of God.  This leaves them limited to philosophical or intellectual paths in their quest to forgive or to be forgiven.  Is this enough to heal them?

MONJORONSON:  No, it is not.  One must first have these very, very rudiments of belief that God is present and God has a plan for their growth, and this is called "hope."  Hope is just the first of the five-step tier towards knowing that there is a plan and knowing that it includes them.  Hope that God does exist, and that they ask for guidance and forgiveness is the very rudimentary beginnings of growth and forgiveness.  The next would be "faith." and after that would be "belief."  The next is "trust," and the last is "knowing."  When you trust in God's existence, and trust that God forgives you, you trust that this is so.  

However, when you know God exists, and you know God forgives, you know that you have been forgiven, and you know that there is nothing held against you, and you know that you will not make that mistake again.  You know that your personal relationship with God exists because you have experienced it!  And when you have forgiven another, you experience the same release that you received when you felt God's forgiveness for you.  So you become very much more than you were in the past.  Those at the bottom rung of belief, which is hope, have the beginnings to do this, to progress.  But to intellectualize and philosophize about it is insufficient; this is simply a mind-centered, linear activity of intelligence, rather than a heart-centered presence of knowing that there is a possibility or hope that you will be forgiven, as you hope that God exists to do so.

Vicki:  Wow!  Thank you, Monjoronson, for that and also you anticipated that I would want to know what those five tiers were.  Thank you again.  This concludes my questions, unless you have something that you would like to contribute more to the session?

MONJORONSON:  I have enjoyed this session very much; I have enjoyed the thematic portion of it as well, and you are most welcome to engage in what I would call "personalized curiosity questions," that emanate from your heart, rather than use curiosity questions that emanate from your mind-if you know the difference.  It is simply those curiosity questions that you would ask another who you do not know well, but whom you have met and who you have engaged in, whose presence you enjoy.  It is a way to get to know each other.  

I eventually will be personalized in your presence; I will be more than an energetic emanation from Paradise-I will be here in the flesh.  And yes, you will have a reaction to that which would be one of awe and one of being stunned into stillness, yet there is the eventuality just as Machiventa experienced among his friends, that his presence made them feel at ease, and once they began to be comfortable with that awe and respect they felt for him, they began to ask him about himself and why he was there.  And so it will be too, with you and your progeny, as they become able to know me more personally in the future.  So please feel comfortable with me and begin to understand and know the beginnings of a personal relationship with spirit, even one who is from the Divine realm.  Thank you.

Vicki:  Thank you, Monjoronson.  Actually, you have put me at ease through my first conversation with you in this format, and I look forward to your personalization.  This concludes our session.

MONJORONSON:  Thank you very much.  Good day.

 
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