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 Monjoronson - Perception & Reality - Talking in Sleep - Mar 31, 2010 -
Audio Session #94
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Monjoronson.com Q/A Session #94
Teacher: Monjoronson

 Subjects Discussed This Session:
 
Perception & Reality
Soul Heritage  
Direct Path to Truth
Missions Outside of The Teaching Mission
Talking in Sleep  
Breakdown of Our Educational System
 
T/R: Jonathan
Moderator: Mary Rogers
March 31, 2010

Monjoronson  (Jonathan TR):  I am here, this is Monjoronson.  I am pleased
to again engage with you and to be of assistance in your pursuit of
spiritual truths, cosmic understanding, and your planetary situation.  I am
more than happy to address your questions this evening in the hopes that we
bond together and work as a team for the betterment of this world and for
the goals of Light and Life throughout Nebadon.  Let us begin.

Perception and Reality:
 
Question #1:  First, in the category of perception and reality: in studies
of people who are close to death, there have been many reported visions of
angels with feathered wings; in some instances feathers have materialized in
the hands of some people in their rooms. Although this is in contradiction
to the information contained in The Urantia Book about angels, I wonder if
these feather materializations are the direct result of those individuals¹
mental creations coupled with their perceptions of reality.  Could you speak
to this?

Monjoronson:  You have rightly discerned the mechanism at play.  The realm
of spirit is far beyond the conceivable range of human consciousness.  You
are capable of glimpsing the intervening level of the morontia state, but it
Œs not the realm of spirit.  When you begin to translate an experience of
the morontia form into human intelligibility, you will apply recognizable
forms that will contain the meanings in your experience, and it will include
your background, that being your education and conceptual preferences.

Spirit, while essentially one, is capable of multiple manifestations.  To
make contact through morontia to the physical realm it will readily
translate the experience into recognizable frameworks.  As you know, angels
don Œt have wings, therefore less do they have feathers.  But you know in
your modern century, there are wings without feathers.  It is a legacy of
your traditions and becomes translatable meaning to the mind of a human,
even more so in the duress of the transition from life in the physical world
to life in the morontia realm. Thank you for this question.

Question #2:   Your comments lead to another question along this line.  You
are saying we perceive things according to our own inclination or the things
we tend to believe in.  Does human perception dictate what spiritual reality
we will experience?  I don Œt know if the trappings of spiritual reality,
the language of it, may vary according to one Œs traditions.  But the
underlying spiritual reality would be consistent?  Could you speak to that a
little bit further?

Monjoronson:  I will use a visual reference.  You may perceive in dim
lighting a disk, circular and apparently flat, distinguishable as apart from
its surroundings.  However, if you apply light sources which will shine upon
this disk, you may perceive an object which is spherical.  The illumination
of the contour of this sphere becomes apparent with the assistance of those
light sources.  However, in this perception you only perceive the surface
and are unable to determine whether this sphere is hollow or solid and to
what degree of density.  Further investigation would give you better
information as to the nature of the object.

Spirit has a broad differential of manifestation; it is capable of
manifesting all things.  Yet the human mind, taught and trained by culture
and limited by the evolution of knowledge and the civilization wherein that
mind is functioning, must interpret a spiritual experience which may be the
perception of a disk or a sphere and will still encounter the uncertainty of
further understanding of the true nature, the deeper qualities, of the
experience of spiritual manifestation. Having said this, I must emphasize
that the experience of the human being with spirit manifestation is
nonetheless valid; it truly is an encounter; it is only described by the
understanding mechanisms of the human mind.  While the description may fail
in its thoroughness, it is still all the while a genuine encounter.

 As you ascend throughout the levels of the universe you will begin to
discern and continue to refine the understanding that each episode and the
ones that follow subsequently are refinements of each other in succession.
Near Paradise your encounters with pure spirit will embrace all your prior
engagements, your earlier experiences being limited in description.  Each
one that follows has a greater range of embrace of the vastness of spirit.
While you at this high level of spirit being realize the singularity of
spirit, you will simultaneously perceive the multiplicity of spirit
manifestation as it is translated into the experiences of the gradations of
creature comprehension. I thank you also for this question.

Question #3:  In the category of perception and reality: Lately there have
been many books written on the process of dying as it is experienced by
people on that threshold.  Their testimony has provided a version of this
process that is different from The Urantia Book Œs version.  They have
described seeing departed loved ones coming to get them.  Some have seen
Jesus at the foot of their beds coming to escort them to heaven.  Some have
seen a bright tunnel of light.  Since the reconnection of the spiritual
circuit on Urantia, has the process of translation been modified or changed?

Monjoronson:  No, it has not.  It is still functioning as it has since the
bestowal of Michael and his attainment of sovereignty wherein human beings
who are translating to the morontia realm by way of the passage of death are
resurrected according to their progress as a spiritual being.  What is
occurring that is different is the ability of humankind to share their near
death experiences and to preserve those sharings for decades and centuries
to come.  What will accumulate, as we have been discussing this evening,
will be the human descriptions, and you will find many descriptions, varied
descriptions, all of which appear to indicate a wide range of encounters
that seem to defy being coordinated into a description common to every one.
When the soul is taken up into the embrace of spirit and is assisted in this
uplift by the angels it must be extracted from the circuitry of mind and its
emplacement in physical form.  The mind and body are being disrupted,
displaced, and discarded and as these systems are shutting down or going
idle, what you would call death, there is a great release of historical
personal experiences.  Many of these things are perceived in these
encounters at the edge of translation.  When a soul does not cross over but
returns to the human status, these experiences are further interpreted based
upon background. 

 Our resurrection attendants who receive those who do shed their physical
form to enter into the morontia state are performing the same tasks they
have done since the first human being shed its form.  It is the accumulation
of your informational database of encounters or near encounters with death
that has added to the manifold descriptions of that experience. I hope this
helps.

  Mary:  There is a time between the human perception and the reality we
experience and how we describe it.

Direct Path to Truth:
 
  Question #4:  Here is a question about a more direct path to truth:  I
know there are many paths to the top of the mountain.  I have been on a lot
of them, some with dead ends and sharp rocks, potholes and brush, and some
impassable.  There are gurus galore, a plethora of preachers, massive
amounts of ministers, tons of teachers.  Some call themselves Melchizedeks
channeling different teachers with all kinds of conflicting and confusing
teachings.  Is there any way to avoid so much exercise to provide ourselves
the pearl of truth without so much debris around it?

Monjoronson:  I am charmed by your description and find your phraseology
delightful.  As you have recited that there are many paths to the top of the
mountain implying the mountain of truth, I must draw your attention that it
is not at the apex that truth is found but found at all times at every point
on the mountain. This is why you have the wide range of wisdom.

Truth is an encounter; it is not a verbal description of reality, of what
is.  It is a living interface with reality, a conscious engagement, an
energetic entanglement.  How you can dispense with all the confusing forms,
descriptions, and paths is to simply stand in your own shoes and realize.
Of course the pondering philosopher would say, ³I am not interested in my
truth; I want all truth,² and begin again the desire to ascend to the apex
of the mountain. But all truth contains every single truth.  To discard your
truth at your present level of unfoldment is to discount a valuable element
of all truth. 

The living of all truth is occurring throughout the entire universe; the
living of each truth is occurring in each creature.  You do not need as a
single personality all truth to be truth.  Every flame within a forest fire
is burning; no one single flame is the entire fire, but each one is
nonetheless performing the same function.  There are those who, if I may use
your expressions, ³hang their shingle² and teach a way to truth, and we
accept these personalities so inspired to do so.  But they are a
presentation that is orchestrated and perhaps contrived in the sense that it
is organized in its presentation, not in the sense that it is trickery or
deception.  But everyone of you are doing the same thing when you comprehend
truth, that is, engage in the living experience of truth and then manifest
your comprehension of that experience to others.  All these sharings are
subsequent expressions of an encounter with truth; they are not the truth
itself. 

I will use one more image before we proceed to the next question.  As your
earth rotates the sun takes an appearance of moving around the world.  In
the segment of this rotation wherein the sun shines its light upon your
planet you have daylight.  Some individuals are experiencing daylight at
dawn, others at noon, and others near dusk.  It is still daylight, and that
is what the experience of truth is to the personality. Let us continue.

Missions Outside of the Teaching Mission:
 
Question #5:  This is a question about missions outside of the Teaching
Mission.  What other efforts aside from the Teaching Mission and the
Magisterial Mission are being taken by non-human personalities present on
Urantia to bring awakening to large numbers of people? Is Abraham just
teaching in the Teaching Mission or is he assisting elsewhere?

Monjoronson:  This question fits well within our discussion this evening,
for the celestial ministers attending to this planet are working with the
variable cultural contingencies existing upon your world.  You are
discerning in your questions that there are many avenues wherein these
beings are engaged to bring about change upon the planet.  Abraham and
others are contacting individuals throughout your world through the means
most receivable by those human beings.  While I regard my mission here as a
form of an umbrella mission in that it has a span of outreach that embraces
all missions of contact, I regard all these efforts in whatever form that
they are encountered to be of equal value, for we are functioning as a
unified force.  Our goal is not to be recognized by our mission but to bring
each one of you into a new era of refined thinking, of improved
relationships, of keen discernment, and a peacefulness in living your life.

You have many forms of stories in your literature; the episodes, the
actions, that take place are variable, but oftentimes the plot has a moral
that would be repeated over and over again.  That Œs what these missions of
contact are doing, expressing the same moral to the story through all the
variations that are  comprehensible by human beings. Thank you for your
interest in our work.

Breakdown of Our Educational System:
 
Preamble:  The next set of questions are in the category of our education
system and its breakdown. Preamble: In a recent session with you, when asked
about the continuing and future failure of our education system you said, ³I
agree there will be a breakdown of your educational system.  You are quite
literally seeing it now in action.  Evidence is all around you in your
educational system on the failure to educate those who are capable of
learning with self interest of educational groups, whether it Œs management
groups or labor groups, these all work against the upliftment of your
society out of selfish interest."

Question #6: How do we avoid making the worst choices when putting a public
education system back together again? Any hope that we won Œt put back the
same thing that failed to begin with because that is the only model we have
recent experience with?  How do we make the best choices?

Monjoronson:  Forms of education will always be defined and redefined based
on the cultures an educational system is supported by.  Ancient forms of
education were merely learning the rituals of the tribe and soon the
doctrines of the religions, as we have discussed earlier, education
currently addresses the needs of management and labor from in the economic
business sense of training.

Be not concerned about avoiding the worst decisions because they have been
made and are recognizable.  It is through this that you can construct an
improved system.  But first you must look at the needs of the culture before
you construct an educational system which will address those needs.  To
merely develop a system of education without giving attention to the
cultural needs will orphan itself from purpose.  So look to what
civilization needs now and then construct that system of teaching. Next
question.

Question #7:  One person cannot do all that needs to be done when starting
over again to educate for a sustainable society.  Who or what can we put
into place to help direct rebuilding public education which may prevent
those interests that will stubbornly attempt to use the old ways that
brought failure before?

Monjoronson:  I must caution you about the tendency to see a clear-cut end
of one system and the beginning of another, for this will not happen.  You
will have overlapping efforts.  You will have educational institutions that
will maintain the original paradigm and other institutions spring up to
bring up, to foster, a new approach.  Humanity doesn¹t change quickly, and
both orientations will serve purpose for quite some time.

Question #8: [Mary]  Our educational system will continue evolving through
the stages it has made and building on its successes and hopefully becoming
renewed rather than a complete failure and a rebuilding?

Monjoronson:  Yes with one further clarification. The perceived mistakes
that were made were not mistakes. When they were initiated they served their
purpose and have only become outmoded or irrelevant and therefore perceived
as a mistake, as would be through my example of education of primitive
times, merely being the comprehension of the rites of the tribe.  One might
call that a mistake because there was no curriculum incorporating reading or
mathematics or science of any sort.  But it was appropriate as an
educational system of the time.

Question #9:  Is it not of great importance to educate individuals about how
to be good citizens?  Would it be a good idea for all citizens regardless of
age or other education to be required to undergo such instruction before
they are granted citizenship privileges?  Should the day be over when being
born in a country automatically grants citizenship privileges such as
voting?

Monjoronson:  This addresses a valuable new development that is possible
upon your world, one not likely to be well received at your current level of
evolution in civilization.  It is fitting that a country will fully accept a
native-born as a citizen, for this is the creation of home on a national
level, just as a newborn is accepted into the home of the family.  You have
asked about educating one in citizenship.  This can introduce a higher level
of citizenry and could set the stage for those who have reached that level
to have greater input into the national trends.  An example would be perhaps
two votes in an election, one as a natural citizen, one as a citizen
graduate.  Let us continue.

Question #10:  Should a spiritual education precede a public and secular
education?  In the turmoil of the present society there Œs no general
agreement to do any such thing.  Is this turmoil not created by sectarian
religion?  Is the only solution to a really good education based on waiting
for the appearance of Light and Life on this planet?

Monjoronson:  No because that would be impossible. A spiritual education
begins at the arrival of the Divine Spirit at the functioning of free will
and will not end for all of eternity.  If you were to wait that long before
public education most of you would remain uninformed.  You must begin your
public education based upon the society in which that institution is
functioning.  The needs that are to be taught that that individual may
contribute to society, these will change as society evolves.

I hear the spirit of your question.  It would be beneficial for spiritual
guidance to steer education, and, yes, that would be beneficial if it
preceded written curriculums.  However, every level of growth brings new
spiritual revelations and spiritual unfoldment, so they must occur
simultaneously.  Thank you for asking.

Soul Heritage:
 
Preamble:  This harkens back to something you said in February when you used
the term ³soul heritage²:  ³The genetic social family heritage is one, but
the soul heritage of the individual is another.²  ³Some individuals seem to
come into the world with something to do, an agenda, before they are an
adult.  They have capabilities innate and complete, whereas with other
children they seem to be completely absent.  These emanate from the soul
experience of the individual prior to conception.²  Another quote from that
session:  ³It is not a matter of reincarnation, for your ignorance about
historic or preceding memories do not necessarily include ideas of cultures
and reincarnation as you think they are.  You rather have had an overly
simplistic and in some way illogical approach towards karmic experiences of
individuals, which stems from those earlier memory patterns given to the
soul carried by the soul into this experience.²

 Question #11:  Please say more about the soul heritage you alluded to.  How
does it affect our souls?  Is the heritage composed of ancestors Πsouls all
the way back to the Andonites?  Please clarify the term ³heritage².

Monjoronson:  I will attempt to be brief.  There are two factors, major
factors, that contribute to this perspective of soul heritage, the first
being the presence of personality in any individual.  Personality is a
pattern bundle.  I use the word ³bundle² to create a boundary around that
pattern; the pattern is not infinite.  Each personality while unique is also
an adjustment, an alteration, of another personality pattern, and this
continues on infinitely within the personality potentials of the I AM.  This
is a heritage that the soul grows up within.

The other large influence upon the soul, another heritage, is the degree to
which the universe Supreme has manifested.  That which has already
manifested contributes to the heritage of the soul.  That which is still in
potential waiting to be extracted, activated, by living creatures is not a
heritage. It is the future of all souls.

I hope this contributes to your ongoing investigations of this concept of a
legacy to the soul.

Talking in Sleep:
 
Question #12:  What is the brain doing when people talk in their sleep? Is
it discharging and clearing itself for its own health?

Monjoronson:  It is common to perceive that sleeping is a function that is
extremely passive.  The body appears to be at rest, but the mind is quite
active.  Mind does not need the twenty four hour cycle that the body does.
Mind as you know it is the lowest form of a morontial state that can engage
in physical form.  It is a transitional dimension which you call
consciousness.  Physical form is very receptive to, accommodating of, and
adapting with the influence projections of the mind.  The brain will
naturally signal the body to carry out the will, desires, of the mind.  In
this nocturnal activity your body may often act out.  Talking in your sleep
is the example you gave, and there are other forms as well such as movement.
Some of this is a discharge of tension and some of it more often is just a
demonstration of how integrated the physical body is with the Adjutant mind.

I thank you for all these questions this evening.

  Mary: Thank you Monjoronson and if there are any further comments you
would care to share with us we would certainly open the floor for that as
well. Thank you for being here.

 My final remarks entail encouraging each one of you in your pursuit of what
is right, of what is better, of what is noble, of what is true, that while
you look about you for discernment and guidance please accept that power
within you.  Be creative and present for the first time on your world of a
new and better way. There are great personages in your history who have done
this very thing and have benefited mankind.  That need not be few and far
between.  Your accumulation through observation of the world about you of
what could be better must also be infused by the spirit of your own creative
resources. 

You need not become a figure in history.  You can in minute ways accomplish
the same function.  Those who are noted for their brilliant infusions
weren¹t solely benefitted by their own individual creativity but were able
to absorb and coordinate the contributions of those who had gone before
them.  So I encourage you to look out and look within and blend the two.
This will help your world if you all do, your world would rapidly improve
and expand. Thank you.

Mary: Thank you so much for your comments Monjoronson. We appreciate so much
your being here to work with us this evening and always. My thanks also go
out to the transcribers who make these sessions available in print. Good
evening.

 TR1003311 Hayden, Idaho

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