[tmtranscripts] NOCO #118 Apr. 17, 2011

[Roxanne Andrews]

Charles; Monjoronson - Mission Report; Q&A - Apr. 17, 2011 - NOCO#118

 

Northern Colorado Group, #118
Loveland, CO

 

Teachers:  Charles and Monjoronson

 

Topics:

 Administrative report for the present and future

Training programs being developed

The curious seekers from the Christian churches

Reaching the Latin culture

Moving into the public sector without proselytizing

Moving the Christian churches forward to trust and knowing

This is a holistic effort on all levels

Sustainable individuals and families

Spiritual Wings 1

The emergent church

Where will these groups be taught?

How to approach those who believe in the "Rapture"

Evidence of the cataclysms predicted

Fear outweighs belief and causes separation

Need for flexibility and adaptability 

How to get the best possible leadership

The dilemma is being divided in your loyalties

Courageous loyalty and devotion to highest duty

Advantages and disadvantages of rural communities

Duty to protect family or others during cataclysms 

Is taking another life forgivable?

Is euthanasia an acceptable action?

Improving our government

Question on third circlers

Spiritual Wings 1 - assist belief structure to explore potentials

 

TR:  Daniel Raphael

 

April 17, 2011
 

Jerry: Let's take a minute to take some deep breaths and quiet ourselves. 

 

Heavenly Father, Christ Michael, Mother Spirit, many teachers surround us now, love us.  Thank your for joining us in this moment of renewal and recovery, as we see the merkabah in the center of things, a glowing pillar of life.  Attach our heart strings and our mind strings, that we may all share more intimately.  Amen.

 

Let's take a moment to direct the loving energy of the Father to those that we feel are in need of his help.  We will take a minute to do this.  (Pause.)  Let us return now and quietly wait for our teachers.

 

Administrative report for the present and future

 

CHARLES:  Good afternoon, this is Charles.  (Welcome, Charles!)  Thank you for your welcome-I appreciate that.  It is good to be here with you once more.  Today I have an administrative report to provide to you; food for thought about the present and the future.  

 

Today's presentation is made with far more transparency than we have shared with you before.  Your maturity, your wisdom-emotional, spiritual and social-is of such a nature that you have become young adults to us in the spiritual realm as we see you.  Therefore, you can accept more responsibility for responding accordingly to what we share with you.

 

In the past, we have not shared with you what our plans were for the future, as we felt that you would misinterpret these or act on your own initiative in wrong directions, and that you would learn to go on your own, rather than to listen to the 'still, small voice within yourselves' for guidance, and then wait for opportunities, insights and guidance to direct you in right directions.  We are still very cautious about revealing future developments to you, but we wish to share this, that your capacities as spiritual beings have improved and increased in maturity.  You see a relationship between your emotional self and your spiritual self and have amended your immature ways accordingly, and you have grown.

 

Training programs being developed

 

We have prepared some of you as trainers, with novice-like initial training programs that would develop and grow as you grew and your audience grew.  We have shared with you the Melchizedek Schools program, which has been amended in that the titles have been renamed from Schools #1, 2, & 3, to "Spiritual Wings 1, Spiritual Wings 2" and "The Melchizedek School," which deals with the use and participation within the co-creative design team, the "Schematic of Sustainability" and the "Three Core Values of Sustainability."  These name changes were brought into existence so that your traditional Christian brothers and sisters of the mainline Christian churches would have something that was familiar to them, something that is not as off-putting as the word "Melchizedek."  

 

The curious seekers from the Christian churches

 

For many of you who have read The Urantia Book for decades, this may seem off-putting to you, yet the broad population, which is approximately 1.5 billion people who are participants of the mainline Christian churches, is the main audience that we wish to attract at this time, and surely they are ready and eager, as many of them are very intelligent, very thoughtful and have questioned their beliefs.  They wonder, "Now what?  What more is there?  Is this all there is to our church doctrines, church beliefs?  Surely, there must be more."  And they are correct.

 

During this era of your world, as more and more people have become more deeply educated, the Father Spirit within many of these people has continued to reach down to make them eager, help them to become curious about seeking more; and, many now are seeking the presence of God, to know God personally, intimately in that mystical experience of knowing God through their personal experience.

 

Reaching the Latin culture

 

Though the audiences of The Urantia Book, The Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission have been far from exhausted, those that are ready and eager, curious to explore the Melchizedek Schools, have done so.  It is now time to broaden our base to attract a larger population.  You saw the success that occurred in Colombia, South America, as this one and the local teachers embraced that work with eagerness, where people came from far distances to hear, participate and ask questions.  The Latin culture that exists in the United States is where we will begin to explore the development of a broader-based population, through this heart-felt culture, which in many cases includes devout believers of the Catholic faith, a mainline Christian church.  

 

Moving into the public sector without proselytizing

 

It is not that we are going to stop holding the Melchizedek Schools-far from it, for we are eager to continue developing them in every state, in every nation, in every continent in the world.  Our emphasis now will be to move you into the public sector, where some of you will become public speakers, where you will invite people from other cultures to your classes, where you will travel to teach other people, even of a different language.  We have now come to the point of training and development of our training modules, training packages, to the point where these are fairly stable and sufficiently developed at this time to address the new groups that we attract.  Therefore, our interest, our energies will be developed to attract more people, to broaden the net, to increase the potential numbers of participants who will come to the "Spiritual Wings 1 and 2," and eventually, "The Melchizedek School."

 

You will find too, that we do not proselytize the Teaching Mission, the Magisterial Mission or The Urantia Book in the first two schools.  These schools are very non-ideological, and very non-religious, with very few social and emotional and spiritual belief 'buttons' that would offend this young and growing group of spiritually inclined people.  In the end, it all works to the same; those who become attracted to Christ Michael's Mission as Jesus, and to the God presence within them.  What better end could one wish for any training module than for someone to embrace the experience of knowing God, and this is what you have done in your life to move forward to recognize that there is something other than you in the universe, and that you seek to know it fully, and to experience Its presence.  

 

Moving the Christian churches forward to trust and knowing

 

The vast majority of the mainline Christian Church population is stuck on the third position of [hope], belief, that of faith.  They must now move into trust and knowing that the training modules provide for them.  Our work is very blessed to have one of your brothers who comes from one of the mainline Christian churches, who has written and developed a training module for his fellow brothers and sisters in his church, and this will be sufficient-we hope-to bring those students into Melchizedek School Spiritual Wings 1 & 2.  He is teaching Spiritual Wings #1 in his mainline Christian church as an after-hours or Sunday class for those who enroll.  As the number of students who have graduated increases, they will still wonder, "Is this all there is?  How can I be of service, now?"  They will then be ready to participate in Spiritual Wings #2, and then eventually, The Melchizedek School.  These three schools offer a progression of belief, of knowing and experiencing co-creatively with your spiritual brothers and sisters, the caretakers of your planet, in the rehabilitation, the reforming of your civilization, so that it can withstand this coming era of tremendous social change, so that on the other side of this era there will be enough knowledge and experience to establish sustainable social institutions, beginning with the sustainable individual

 

 

This is a holistic effort on all levels

 

I also caution you not to focus on one of these elements that I shared with you today.  We are a holistic effort.  We continue all efforts on all levels and all programs.  The Teaching Mission is as vital and as important as it was on the first day it began in New Zealand.  The Magisterial Mission continues as eagerly and as effectively as it did before.  There is a need for all of these programs to be contemporaneous with each other, where their efforts and their energies are effective to bring those along who wish to participate in them.  There must be more than one way to the top of the mountain, and so we offer many, many ways.  In the end, in the years ahead, you will see that this God-centered material will be applicable and useful-and used and applied-in every God-centered religion, from this locale to the farthest reaches of your planet. 

 

This closes my administrative report for today, unless there are questions concerning it.  If you have any, please ask them.

 

 

Sustainable individuals and families

 

Student:  When you were referring to a sustainable individual, were you inferring that the structure of family will be such that they will foster such children?

 

CHARLES:  Exactly.  That is correct.  When we teach you to develop designs for raising the sustainable individual, it necessarily means that you will also be designing the sustainable family-these are inseparable.

 

Student:  I hope.  And when will we be presented with the specifics of Spiritual Wings 1?

 

Spiritual Wings 1

 

CHARLES:  Spiritual Wings 1 will be shared with you very shortly.  This one is in receipt of that training program, developed by a (______ who wishes to remain anonymous.) of Fresno, California.  This is the most outstanding and astounding piece of literature to bring faith brothers of the Christian mainline churches to the position where they may accept the possibility of talking to God, and to Guardian Angels.  This is a rather major step for them to take.  We will be glad to share that training program with you.  It would be very useful in all Protestant and Catholic churches.

 

The emergent church

 

Student:  When will this also be likely to appeal to the emergent church?

 

CHARLES:  Explain 'emergent church' for our audience, please.

 

Student:  Well, it seems like this involves various individuals in groups who are seeking to not just rely on the institutional church as it has been established but to start afresh, in a sense.  I have a family member who is quite interested in this, who is better informed about it than I.

 

CHARLES:  Yes, this material is specifically pointed towards the emergent church.  This speaks of the emerging individual spiritually, who is curious to know more, who accepts that the church is the holder of doctrines and a belief structure, but who also knows it is insufficient in its existence to bring them to a God experience.  This material is a skill-building progression of classes, from Spiritual Wings 1 and 2, followed by The Melchizedek School, where individuals can co-creatively participate in redesigning their social institutions, all the while being mystics in their own right, knowing God, experiencing God and experiencing the communication with those spiritual beings of God's hierarchy of light.  Thank you for your question.

 

Student:  Will this be on computer, or will it be a physical location?

Where will this group be taught?

 

CHARLES:  These groups will come together wherever there is a need to be filled.  Those who wish to learn more; the emphasis is on personal engagement, teachers and students, rather than through the Internet.  The Internet is a very linear-minded process of awareness, which fulfills only a small part of the human spiritual existence.  The need for personal classes is eminent because where 2 or 3 are gathered together there also is the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth.  This is what makes this so essential for this group here is that there is far more to the energy of this small group, than just the 7 of you present.  This is how we grow; you personally carry forward the extra energy that the group has developed.  Your capacity to engage others is enhanced by your participation here.   

 

How to approach those who believe in the "Rapture"

 

Student:  Charles, could you give us some ideas on how to approach those Christians that are really fundamentalists, especially the ones that are so strongly emotionally tied to the "Rapture?"  It's not just for the spiritual side of their own growth, but these people very often don't feel the need for sustainability, whether it is in family, or the local culture that they live in; they don't feel the need for taking care of the planet to help it stay sustainable.  They just don't think there is a need for it because day after tomorrow they are going to be swept up, and that's all there is to it.  I find it very frustrating and trying even to carry on a conversation with some of these people.

 

CHARLES:  As do we.  The emphasis of our approach in this work is to demonstrate the short span of time we have available to attract many people, so that our focus of our energies is placed on getting the word to everyone.  And, those who are interested come to us.  We are not putting extra effort into trying to convince those who are reticent or resistant to participate.  Because of the shortness and the timeliness of events that are developing, it is necessary to attract and embrace those individuals who recognize the truth of what is presented to them, and come forward eagerly in anticipation to receive what they have known was here all along.  We are open and ready to receive all who wish to participate eagerly.  Those who resist can resist on their own; it does not mean that they are loved less, or cared for less by God, but their realities are their own until they change their minds.  Thank you.

 

Student:  You made some reference to a short time span.  Can you explain a little more of what you mean by that?

 

Evidence of the cataclysms predicted

 

CHARLES:  Yes, have you not noticed, dear one, your world as a geophysical entity has become rather rough and rugged and that the cataclysms of earthquakes and of tsunamis and volcanoes and droughts and floods have become more and more severe?  You will notice even in the news today that there were category 5 tornados already, early this season, in the southern part of this continent, and this is simply the beginning of this season.  You will continue to see more of these events and they will become more and more severe, and they will affect more and more people.  You only need to keep your eyes open and recount the disasters, cataclysms that have occurred in the last ten to fifteen years to note that they are increasing in frequency and severity, and this will continue.  Does this answer your question?

 

Student:  Yes, thank you, but I think it will also stimulate another question, such as how best to respond to those people whose faith is shaken, or who wonder why God is allowing these disasters to happen.  I think it comes from a belief that God micro-manages some of these things in their lives.  It's not always easy to know how best to respond to such questions.

 

Fear outweighs belief and causes separation

 

CHARLES:  As long as there is fear, there is no belief, is there?  Fear outweighs belief.  One must trust that God is in charge, and all is according to that which God set into motion.  Once a person moves into knowing God, then they know truly that all is well, even when the walls and the earth crash around them.  This is a time of separation which we have mentioned before, for those who know God and those who do not.  There are millions of very devout people, who go to church regularly, every Sunday, who yet do not know God.  They believe as they have been taught to believe, and have not expanded their belief structure into trust and knowing the Divine.  This training that we have shared with you, and which is becoming more easily acceptable to more people is a part of the solution to assist people to move from their third point of belief into trust and knowing.  There must be a forward movement along increasing belief to knowing in order to accept this life and the tragedies that are around it.  It does not mean to lay down your life easily, or to accept these accidents of time and nature as inevitable, but as a point of knowing yourself, of yourself evolving from hope to belief, to faith and trust and knowing.  This escalation is necessary to assist you in the afterlife as well as today.  Thank you.  (Thank you!)

 

Student:  Charles, I appreciate your report for today.  It gives me a stronger sense of direction in terms of the new web site that is being constructed.  Thank you for that.

 

Need for flexibility and adaptability

 

CHARLES:  You are most welcome.  One aspect of all that we do is that we ask you to be flexible and adaptable, including your web sites and your training documents and so on.

 

I will close now unless there are further questions and release the podium to my boss and supervisor, Monjoronson.  Thank you.

 

MONJORONSON:  Be at peace, dear ones, this is Monjoronson.  (Welcome!)  It is good to be here with you once again in this city called Loveland.  What a joyous place to be.  We also like the towns named Amity and Felicity and so on.  (Laughter.)  Some of you have asked that I be available to answer some of your developing questions, some questions that have not been resolved before.  I do not have a discourse to provide to you today, but I am open to answer your questions.

 

How to get the best possible leadership

 

Student:  Do we afford ourselves as a society to the best possible leadership we can afford?

 

MONJORONSON:  Yes, you 'buy' the best managers that 'money can buy.'  That is facetious, I know, and it has been said before, but it also has a ring of truth to it that your managers are in the political realm for personal acclaim, power and authority, and to also help themselves assuage their own fears of future, thinking that they are the best and most capable to help everyone, and of course, they are mistaken.

 

Student:  So we don't get the best leadership?

 

MONJORONSON:  Of course you do not.

 

Student:  So do you have any suggestions on how we can improve our institutions, or what institutions we can adopt, to get us our better leadership?

 

MONJORONSON:  Most definitely, and the answer is in using the synergism that exists in the "Schematic for Sustainability" with the three core values of sustainability.  That synergism provides a very dynamic and fluid environment where individuals come together to discuss and find that which develops and brings about sustainability.  We have given you the formulas for sustainability that can be equally applied to your leadership.

 

Student:  Monjoronson, I have a question here from someone outside of this group.  He says, "In The Urantia Book it is said of Jesus, 'The secret of his unparalleled religious life was his consciousness of the presence of God, and his consecration to the doing of his Father's will; and he attained such God consciousness by intelligent prayer and sincere worship-unbroken communion with God-and not by leadings, voices, visions, or extraordinary religious practices.'

 

"Question: In our effort to help our brothers and sisters develop a conscious relationship with God, how do we lead our fellow Christians deeper into intelligent prayer and sincere worship while at the same time, introducing them to the Teaching Mission and Magisterial Mission which could be interpreted to be about leadings, voices, visions, or extraordinary religious practices?"

 

The dilemma is being divided in your loyalties

 

MONJORONSON:  The answer lies that you are trying to attain two answers to one question.  You must be of one mind-you are divided in your loyalties.  Your first and only guide in assisting those who do not know is to assist them in believing and knowing that God has a personal relationship with them.  Jesus was not concerned at that time with the Magisterial Mission or the Teaching Mission, was he?  No, he was not.  He taught his followers the singular devotion to the Father, doing the Father's will, to understanding and being a participant in that relationship through their commitment in their religion, and dedicating their time to listening to the Father's presence within them.  Once this has been attained, then all else becomes much more easily acceptable, when one also has the powers and has practiced the art of discernment.  When one realizes that all good works to the good of God, then that which is of the other beings that work towards God becomes also acceptable.  Once the first goal is attained, the second becomes easier to accept.  I hope you understand my point.

 

Student:  The same person asks a second question:  He says, "The Urantia Book teaches that loyalty is the devotion to highest duty and it is the fruit of an intelligent appreciation of universe brotherhood..  Jesus taught his disciples that sincere prayer is a revelation of courage, a declaration of faith and soul loyalty.

 

Courageous loyalty and devotion to highest duty

 

"Question:  Would you speak to us about this courageous loyalty and the devotion to highest duty that Jesus spoke of?"

 

MONJORONSON:  Your great loyalty must be expressed through service.  Service is the means by which you assist others to come to God.  Your loyalty to God and to the mission of Jesus urges you to move into service to fulfill this.  Your commitment to service is essential.  This is your highest duty, to be of service to yourself, to learn to love God, and once you learn to love God and know God and experience God, then to share that experience with others, to be of service to others, to learn to know God as you know God, to experience God in your daily life, minute-by-minute.  This is a worshipful existence; your religion becomes personal and intimate between yourself and God.  Thank you for your good question.

 

 

 

Advantages and disadvantages of rural communities

 

Student:  Another person sent me a question also:  She says, "Rural communities have unique attributes as well as deficits in culture, population and geography.  Increasingly, people who are disappointed with the life style in large cities are choosing to find ways to locate in smaller rural communities.  In addition, those who originally choose that lifestyle seem to have similarities in the desire for close community, open space, simplicity, etc.

 

"Question:  Could you discuss the advantages and disadvantages of rural communities for the Magisterial Mission.  How might the advantages of rural living work toward assisting the Magisterial Mission?  And, how might the disadvantages be ameliorated given proper intention and creativity?"

 

MONJORONSON:  Your friend, Henry David Thoreau, knew well the advantages of living apart from the city.  There is a time and place for contemplation, for reflection, for meditation, to be at oneness with that which is around you, which is the oneness of God, the natural flow of developments and elements and processes of nature.  The disadvantages are that you are alone, and once you are alone and you have developed all of your insights and reflections and guidance in your meditation, then it is time to take yourself back into society, whether it is one or two people, or a dozen, or a thousand, to test yourself to see whether you have evolved, to see whether you have become a greater master of yourself in a chaotic and contentious environment.

 

When you live in the country, find those who are like yourself, those who have an affinity for those things which you like.  It is obvious to me that you love God, that you wish to have a closer presence between yourself and Christ Michael, to come to understand the more intimate relationship that you can have with God, with myself, with Christ Michael, with Machiventa in this quiet environment.  You would want to share that with others.  

 

The first step is to find others in your rural communities who are similar to yourselves, those which have a similar interest.  This may be stated by you in very broad terms, for if you are too specific, then you limit the number of people who would be attracted to what you have to share, and what they can share with you.  So begin by finding others who are, in some ways, similar to yourself, and obviously you are a God-knowing individual, who seeks to have social companionship with other God-knowing individuals, and from there you can develop into experiencing God in your meditation groups, if you so desire.  You are surely not alone, for there are myriads of spiritual beings around you, available to assist you in your efforts.  You simply need to call upon God's angels and others to assist you to find these people through happenstance and through coincidence, where there is goodness to be found around you in your limited social environment.

 

Student:  Another student who attended the Melchizedek School wrote this:  "I know that this life is but one step of our eternal journey.  If projections of the Decimation are close to correct, some of those that are reading this will not survive, some will be accompanying and helping others through death, some will be expected to survive and help create the sustainable future.

 

Duty to protect family or others during cataclysms?

 

"Questions:  Should our focus be on helping our families to survive or just to trust and put our faith in Divine Protection?  To what extent should we protect our lives and those of our families?

 

MONJORONSON:  The answer to your question is yes.  We see no division between assisting your family and assisting their spiritual growth, to not necessarily accept or lay down their lives easily, but to be aware of what is going on around them, to make them aware they have options to think about.  You would not want your family to come to a point in disaster where they did not turn to God, would you?  Certainly not.  Let your family know that God is available, even in times of need-not particularly in times of need-that they could prepare for that now.  Do not fall into the trap of 'either/or' situations, either the family or someone else socially, but all.  You are an individual and you only have so many resources that you can share, spend or expend upon others.  You must first seek your own resolution between yourself and God, and assist your family and assist your community.

 

Student:  Beautiful answer; it takes care of three of his next questions.  The last question he says, "Is taking another life forgivable?"  He doesn't specify under which circumstances. 

 

Is taking another life forgivable?

 

MONJORONSON:  You live on a material world full of many barbarians.  Sometimes it is necessary to take another life for protection, for self-defense of yourself or for your family, or your community.  What would you do if you saw someone outside a home, setting the house on fire, ringing it with gasoline and ready to light the match that would surely kill all the individuals in the house, and you only had a rifle with you to protect yourself, or to protect the family?  What would you do?  Surely, you would bring this person down, to immobilize them from lighting the match that would burn the house and would kill the people inside.  You live in a very barbarian world.  We rarely tell you that as we try to apprise you, congratulate you and praise you for your social growth and emotional development and your spiritual insights that you strive to live out, every day.  Nonetheless, not all of you are of such a nature.  You must protect yourself and your family and your community.  There are those who would ravage your family, your community and your societies, and these must be limited.

 

Is euthanasia an acceptable action?

 

Student:  I would ask a question somewhat related to this, but on a different tack of knowing an individual who is approaching death with Lou Gehrig's disease (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis).  He is in a good deal of pain and knows that there is no treatment available for this.  Is it acceptable to attempt to shorten that period of going through the dying process, such as giving the person an overdose of sleeping pills?  It seems to me that somehow this is more benevolent than just seeking to wipe out another individual for some lesser motive. 

 

MONJORONSON:  We agree.  There is great tragedy that occurs in your world also because of the primitive nature of your society, and the lack of social development, moral and ethical, in how it constrains itself, and how it manages itself.  Were you more evolved, you would become aware when the Thought Adjuster has left the individual.  You can ascertain that by yourself by discerning the capacity of the individual to make moral and ethical decisions at that time.  When the person is incapacitated, unconscious and has no capacity for recovery, but only continues to suffer in great pain and disease, and it is apparent the Thought Adjuster is absent and has left, then it would be no more immoral to dispatch this individual, than you would a diseased animal and pet.  It is a caring thing to do.  Only because of your limited capacity to know the presence of the Father, the Thought Adjuster within the individual, is the only impediment that you have at this point.  It is a great one, we know, and it takes a very evolved individual to know when to assist the individual to crossover, and when not to.  It is not done arbitrarily, but done with great deliberation and sharing of that decision with those others who are capable of discerning the presence of the Father within another.

 

Improving our government

 

Student:  Earlier in the question and answer period, the question was raised as to how do we improve our government so that it is more effective, the way it should be, and part of the answer lies in The Urantia Book on 'life on another planet,' in the area of producing well trained people that can participate in government.  But even that is a big step, and there is the question, "How do you get to that step?"  And I don't think we are there yet, unfortunately; I think we are going to have to go through a lot more turmoil before we get to that point, but would you comment on this.

 

MONJORONSON:  I would be most glad to.  It does not require more turmoil to come to this conclusion.  You need trained and educated individuals to be good managers of governance.  What is needed is the awareness, the consciousness, the appreciation that there needs to be schools of management for public servants, whether hired or elected.  What is the difference between training a transcriptionist in a clerical function in an agency to do well, and training the manager or the elected political individual who heads that agency?  There is none.  It is simply that you have not accepted this as a possibility, as a necessity-and it is a necessity.  It is not that this has not existed before on your planet, for it has.  

 

There are ancient examples in the Greek and Roman cultures, and other cultures, where it is necessary that political individuals become aware of the necessity of management skills to occupy offices.  It occurred before, when there were necessary military leaders as the heads of state.  These had been trained; they had proven themselves sufficient and capable to lead their nations into peace, even if that meant war with neighboring countries to maintain that peace.  This is training of the first order.  Your world is now moving out of the war-like nature it has, and needs to invent the next stage of social development of governance.  It is not impossible to do, and further turmoil is neither necessary nor desirable to emphasize its need.  You have sufficient examples now that would prove that further turmoil would be counter productive.

 

What has not occurred in your culture are those who think outside the box, with a capacity to share their question, "Isn't there something better than this?"  "Isn't there some better process of governance, even within the same democratic structure of their government, and the formation of their national and state processes of governance?"  Surely there are.  There is huge latitude for improvement within your current political structure.  It only is required that someone asks, "Isn't there something better?" and then sets about to do it, and then puts that forward as a public issue of referendum for the public to vote on.  You must provide the resources of training and management before you bring it to the vote, as you would then need to fulfill the mandate.

 

Question on third circlers

 

Student:  Roughly, how many third circlers are there in the world, and does it vary from country to country, or religion to religion, and is there anything that characterizes them from other groups?

 

MONJORONSON:  This is not a necessary question to answer at this time, for it is individual and to each individual it is personal, and is attained by his/her own devotion to knowing God and desiring to know God more closely.

 

Student:  Going back to the material earlier in our discussion about moving Christians forward from their reliance on biblical teaching, it seems that there needs to be a way to connect the new teachings that you mentioned, (Urantia teachings) or what you referred to as this 'first step.'  Is it really asking these Christians how they can develop a closer, more meaningful relationship with God, and then finding the best materials and tools to achieve that?

 

 

 

Spiritual Wings 1 - assist belief structure to explore potentials

                                                                                              

MONJORONSON:  What we are striving to do in the very early development of Spiritual Wings #1 is to assist people in their belief structure to explore the potentials that lie within their belief structure.  Most people are lazy believers, who limit themselves to the beliefs that are taught to them by the indoctrination process in their church, and do not seek to understand or to read about the expansive exploratory belief systems of those in their church who have gone before them.  There is sufficient material in every God-centered religion to assist current members to know God more intimately, long before they begin to explore the esoteric materials in The Urantia Book, or other channeled materials.  It begins by enticing the current believer to explore and to be curious of what is "more" within their own religious base that they could incorporate into their own belief structure.  

 

Mysticism has always been a sect within every God-centered religion, usually held apart from common believers, simply because once the individual becomes God-knowing, and experiences God personally, intimately, they realize that is all that is necessary to move themselves into the infinite ascension plan that will end in Paradise.  The church is a repository, a safety net, a catch-place for those who are not curious, to assist those who do not explore the God presence within them.  The church has provided a wonderful structure for those who are lazy believers, that also limits those who are curious to know God more intimately.  The church has not seen itself as a means to an end; it has placed itself as the end, to believe in God.  But believing in God is only the third position of God-knowingness.  The church now must-in order for it to survive-become an active means to an end - the conduit of growing belief, from hope, faith, belief, onward to trust and to knowing God.  Therein lies its future strength, and its failure to do so speaks of its demise.

 

Student:  Good question; good answer!

 

MONJORONSON:  Further questions?  (None.)  I have enjoyed our exchange today.  We are present in all forums of question-asking that you can devise with sincerity and commitment and the willingness to explore, whether it is to listen to a discourse-which is now quite rare from us-to questions and answers, to a more deeply exploratory process, where one topic is taken into deeper examination.  We are open to all of these forums when you organize yourselves to do so.  We are available.  We are moving now from the global to the social, and always into the intimate and the personal with you.  This is how God is-God is intimate with you, and all that we teach, if it does not reach the individual, then it is for nothing.  Good day.  (Group thanks Monjoronson, Charles and Daniel.) 

 

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