[tmtranscripts] NET PMG #24

[James Travis]

*2022-02-07, New Era Transitions Planetary Manager’s Group #24, Machiventa*

Planetary Manager’s Group #24– (Find this and previous PMG’s at:
https://bigmacspeaks.life/*)*



Machiventa Melchizedek, Planetary Manager

Topics:



*Free energy*

*A new regimen*

*A less formal approach*

*Application made for MM to speak to The Urantia Book Fellowship*

*Mending fences*

*Deep trouble*

*Emotional and spiritual maturity—becoming whole*

*Nine roles*

*Seven sins, seven virtues, and the 7 core values*

*Reparenting*

*Animals can be a training ground*

*Leading up to a cataclysmic collapse*

*More on emotional and spiritual maturity*

*Our informality can feel very personal*

*Vulnerability and completeness*



TR:  Daniel Raphael, PhD



Invocation: JT



2022-02(Feb)-07



*Daniel:* Oh, my goodness. Machiventa is really ready to go.



*Free energy*



*MM:* Good morning, this is Machiventa Melchizedek, and welcome to our
regular Planetary Manager’s Group session. We have much to discuss today,
and so I want to get started. For those of you who have wondered about free
energy, fusion, the development of various technologies, and so on, you
should begin reading the papers again—the scientific journals—whether it's
Scientific American, or any of the other science digests as you will find
many new areas of technology have somehow blossomed into new beginnings,
new discoveries, and that your world will be much benefited by this in the
future.



*New regimen *



For those of you who stitch all the fabric of our discussions together into
a whole cloth—connecting the dots—you have also begun to see that there is
a new regimen of our work that has already begun. This is an important
transition that we have mentioned before, but now we are actually in gear,
we’ve let the clutch out, and we are beginning to move forward. I use that
metaphor deliberately because your world has operated on automatic for so
long that it is no longer cognizant of the intentions of many actions that
are taken in the world either by yourselves, by governments, or by us. It
is important that you begin to see the larger pattern that is occurring. As
you know, we have begun to apply the programs that will be able to
transform your world into one that becomes socially sustainable and
peaceful. This is not a short project, but one that will take you and us
decades to accomplish. By the end of this century your world should be well
established in peaceful relationships though, of course, there will be old
antagonisms that some people will want to maintain.



*A less formal approach *



You should note too, and some of you have noted, that the tenor of my
presentations to you has dropped down an octave or two. They are much more
personable, they are slower paced, they are more friendly, as you would
say, and this is a result of us coming into closer proximity with you. As
we progress in these co-creative plans that Christ Michael has approved and
deliberated on and the Most Highs have made actionable, we must become much
more personal at this level of our relationship. It is not that we will be
casual, but we are less formal. And we will progress to the point of being
informal, though we will probably still not use the language and
inflections and so on that you would find if you were in a lunchroom with
friends.



What I want to make you aware of is that we are drawing closer to you and
that we will become more friendly, that we will be less formal—less
structured in language—and we want to take this opportunity to make you
aware of that. It is something that is very deliberate on our part, and we
want you to become comfortable with this change. If you are familiar and
very comfortable with stilted, formalized, religious language, positions in
authority, and doctrines, then this probably will be more than you can
handle. On the other hand, for those of you who have finally wished to have
Jesus as a friend—that you can put your arm around his shoulders and give
him a big hug—this is a type of relationship that you will have to look
forward to for all of your life.



*Application made for MM to speak to The Urantia Book Fellowship *



Now, saying these things, I must present you with a most difficult
situation that I gave This One a week or so ago. And that was to have him
apply to the Urantia Book Fellowship requesting an application for a
workshop proposal that I wish to hold at the summer study session of The
Fellowship this summer in July in Chicago. It was not his idea, and he was
most perplexed when I put this request to him. It was something that he had
not anticipated and which you, perhaps, would not anticipate either. As you
know quite well from the language I have used over the decades, it is
extremely rare that I would ever use the first person pronoun of I. But in
this case, I did need to make that known to This One that *I* wanted *him*
to apply for *me* for a proposal form to the Fellowship. It seemed obvious
to me when he read the announcement from the fellowship announcing the
summer session that I should be there. So, he made the email and sent it to
the program coordinator (Mr. Duffy) and so we are waiting to hear back from
that.



You perhaps know or do *not* know your neighbors next door. If you don't,
then we suggest that you do get to know them. You never know in times of
need when they will call upon you to assist them in some chore, or you may
need to do that as well. We are in a similar situation here with you.
Sometimes, because we lack physical hands, arms, and so on, we are unable
to reach your keyboard, though of course, we can do it through
consciousness, just as we do on a regular basis with This One and many
others. It requires some personal attention to these details, and
oftentimes, in order to initiate action of this sort, we must do so very
personally. Are there any questions concerning this before I continue?



*Stéphane:* Yes. In this respect, are you asking for help or are you
informing us this is coming, and maybe you can tell us why you're so
wanting to go to this Fellowship meeting in July?



*MM:* Certainly, and thank you for your questions. First of all, this was
to tell you that we occasionally need for someone to do something for us.
Usually mortals like to initiate activities, but sometimes we must do it
ourselves and request that. The example I gave you of requesting that
action by This One was simply an example for you, and there may be occasion
in the future when we ask you, Stéphane, or anyone else who reads this
transcript for personal assistance. As for the importance of being at the
conference—these study sessions and the workshops—this would make a
wonderful bridge between the Fellowship, the Foundation, and people who are
charismatic. I won't say the Teaching Mission as that is a label unto
itself and seems to create a great deal of tension in people. However, when
you realize that there are many people throughout *The Urantia Book
*community—those
who are part of the [Urantia] Foundation, the Fellowship, the Teaching
Mission, and Magisterial Mission—that everyone seems to be able to channel
on their own with God. And then many people *do* channel God in their
personal sessions, in their prayer time, and their meditation time, but
they don't realize that is channeling. That is quiet channeling. It is
another thing, however, for a person to be a clairaudient channel as This
One is doing right now. That is, as you would say in old times, a “horse of
another color”. And so, you would want to limit yourself to your own
T/Ring—your own channeling—to talk with God, and God to talk with you. That
is a palpable reality that many of you know—thousands of you know—and so it
is not a strange thing. It would be helpful to have the broader community
accept this possibility of personal revelation. As you may have read, the
title of the conference is “Machiventa Melchizedek: Preserving Truth and
Lighting the Way for Future Revelations.” However, we are more concerned
about revelation *in the present*. This seems like a direct proposal to me
that I should be present there.



Let me give you an example. Let us say that you are a hockey fan and that
you know who Wayne Gretzky is. And let's say that you know who Tom Brady
is, or Cristiano Ronaldo who is a soccer player. Maybe you know all these
people, and you knew that they would be in town at a future date without
any obligations and that you would want to invite them to your group to
talk to you. So, it is with me. I am “in town” and available to speak to
the larger community that Christ Michael addressed so long ago. He
continues to address everyone through *The Urantia Book* and through
personal communication. So it is that being in town, so to speak, that I am
available to speak to the larger community. We see this as a potent
occasion to remind everybody that revelation is immediate, it's personal,
and is ongoing and has never ceased. Whether the Fellowship accepts my
request for a proposal or not remains to be seen. That is a mortal
decision, and of course, we will abide with that whatever outcome they
choose. Does this help answer your question sir?



*Stéphane:* Yes, it does. And would you propose to go as Machiventa or as
Daniel? Meaning will you propose if you go as Machiventa to T/R during this
meeting?



*MM:* I will go as I am right now. I am being heard by you through this
clairaudient channel—Daniel—and I would speak through him. There is no
intention for me to be visible. We do not see that as an advantage—it would
be very confusing, and mortals have enough difficulty believing that they
can talk to God, let alone the possibility of actually seeing a celestial
being. We have tried that long ago in the state of Illinois, and that was
in itself a disaster. So, we do not repeat that until mortals are ready to
receive it. Does this help?



*Stéphane:* Oh yes. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good. I look forward
to hearing more.



*MM:* You will.



*Rick:* I have a question for Machiventa. I would like some clarity. Are we
waiting for this conference to accept you and Daniel, and then at that
point, would it be helpful if some financial assistance is sent to Daniel?



*MM:* This is Machiventa. Yes, we must wait to hear from the Fellowship.
That is number one, OK? If they approve me to be there to speak to the
workshop, then that is another matter. This is not a consideration of
Daniel being there. Of course, he will be if they approve *me* to make this
presentation to their group. If that does happen, if that is approved, then
yes, This One would need some financial assistance to do that, and that
would be gratefully received by us on your behalf. Thank you for asking.



*Rick:* And please, if you and Daniel are accepted, I will be sending some
financial support.



*MM:* Thank you so much.



*Rick:* You're very welcome.



*Recca:* Yes. This is Recca. I will also contribute to that support.



*Mending fences *



*MM:* This is Machiventa Melchizedek. You can see how this personal
relationship begins to affect *you* and that you know that I am working
very closely with This One and wish to work as closely with you as well. We
are striving to mend fences between these two ideological groups. Though
you both share the same fundamental basis of the knowledge and work of *The
Urantia Book, *this is something that needs to be mended, something that
everyone needs to move on from, and that there be a new beginning. What you
need to know though, is the back story, and that's what you're looking for,
I think. And that is that as this transition continues in your world—and
you are truly in a major, global, civilizational change and transition of
consciousness—that we are seeking to unite and make known to all people
that we are here and that you would help your world tremendously if you
acted in the same manner of oneness with others who may be slightly
different, who may believe slightly differently, but who ultimately believe
in the goodness of God. And so, you will need each other's cooperation and
coordination to be competent enough to survive what is to come.



*Deep trouble *



As you have read in the news and may have known from mass media, your world
is in *deep trouble*. The confrontation in Eastern Europe is one
difficulty. The difficulty in the Arabian Peninsula is another. We could go
on for several minutes discussing the difficulties around the world. One
group faces another, puts up their fists, confronts another, and hits them
in the nose. But in this case, hitting them in the nose costs the lives of
tens of thousands of people, and this is not acceptable in our realm though
it is wholly and completely a mortal decision. We are striving to work for
the best options for the future, so that you can appreciate our work when
the time comes. You are a part of that work. You are our co-creative
partners in this transition—this change of consciousness. This is no small
project, as you may realize. This is not the same situation that created
World War I. It is not the same situation—or even roughly similar to—that
which created World War II. Your world has changed greatly since those two
global confrontations. Your world has changed. There are individuals now
who do not accept the old traditional male bastions of authority, control,
and power. There are young people—besides women and others of racial
configurations—who have objected for so long—are now coming to the
forefront, wanting to be a part of a change of consciousness. You see the
consciousness that dominated [during] WWI and WWII and other inflammatory
global situations as those have changed. Your world now has a change of
consciousness. If your world were to continue to support the traditional
bastions of authority—male egos for power, and want for power, authority,
and control—your world will be lost for centuries. You realize that when
the Roman Empire collapsed, that was followed by the Dark Ages, and it took
centuries to recover and ever so slowly. And you realize through the
medieval times and through the Renaissance, Enlightenment, Age of
Discovery, and so on, that there has been a progression of consciousness in
your world. *You* may see it as a change of culture, which it was, of
course. But for us, it was the turning of consciousness of many people
towards a new global consciousness—a pervasive one that sees the pieces as
part of the whole. And so now it is time to enact that from the change of
consciousness to change your world so that it acts as One—acts more
holistically and integral in its systems rather than apart and separate.
This is a very important time for your world, and if you want to be a part
of it, we encourage you to say “Yes!”, and stand up and give us a high five
so that we can salute you, recognize you, know where you stand on these
matters as we are like the old World War One poster that has Uncle Sam
pointing at you and saying, “I want you!” And so it is at this time that “
*We* need you”, and *you* need you to be a part of the One with us. Thank
you.



*Stéphane:* Good morning Machiventa. Officially now, good morning. How are
you today?



*MM:* Excellent, thank you. I am enthused by the progress that some of our
mortal friends have made. Thank you.



*Emotional and spiritual maturity—becoming whole *



*Stéphane:* Great. It's a beautiful day on Urantia. I could not attend the
last session two weeks ago, but I read the transcript, and the first two
paragraphs, I must admit, put me on the edge of my seat—literally. You
haven't mentioned that again today, and if I were to paraphrase, it's about
our emotions related to behaviors that we need to improve. These are the
things that will help us reach morontial status or growth status as these
will be the first things we are likely to work on when we reach the
morontial levels. [That is] paraphrasing, of course—you had a much more
eloquent way of saying it. My question is: Are you going to elaborate more
on this? I see an opportunity here to give us lessons as detailed as the
ones you have given us on the seven values and on the political system,
etc., that have gone through Avahlah etc. I would like to request actually
(and also maybe it is already in the plans) to see if there are lessons
planned for us through you or through others to elaborate in much more
detail on this subject.



*MM:* I hesitate a bit to get too deeply involved in this as it has been
covered a number of times, but let me begin this way: Yes, this is a very
important aspect of your humanity—of being a human. It is very much an
*incredibly* important part of your passage to being fully morontial, and
that it must be completed before you can achieve those levels. Remember
that you have over 500 levels that you will experience as a morontial being
before you ascend to the spiritual. So yes, your emotional maturity is very
insightful. You can learn this in many ways, but it begins first by being,
we’ll use a high-level word called *proprioceptive*—that is being aware of
your own thinking. If you do not have this capability, it is something that
you may want to begin to hone or ask for advice on how to begin. This is
perhaps the most elemental level of emotional ascension that you can begin
wholeheartedly as a mortal being on this planet. If you are unaware of how
to monitor your own thinking, let alone observe it or think back on it,
then it may be an occasion where you as some people say…



*Daniel:* This is Daniel. (chuckling) There are so many old phrases I
learned as a child. One phrase is “fly off the handle.” That means that you
took a swing with your axe, and it slipped out of your hand and caused
great damage to somebody or something.



*MM:* So, when you were angry (and I say you generally for anybody and
everybody hearing this or reading this) and you later were regretful about
that and you were remorseful, you begin to reflect on it. Now, regret and
remorse are also emotions. And so, you want to back up and go before that.
And this is at the most elemental level, Stéphane, that you would want to
go back to the very beginning of what was it, not why, but *what was it*
that the other person did that caused you to react as you had? And it might
be highly verbal, violently verbal. It might be physically violent; it may
be throwing things across the room or whatever was the action based on your
anger or your reaction to that person. It's not the why question; the why
question is a rabbit hole where nothing is ever found. And so, you would
want to look at your thinking and *specifically identify* *what* occurred
that caused you to react so violently. I use “violently” because when
people react and are angry, it's a violence of some sort. And it may not
have been another person. It may have been your car, it may have been a
wrench that slipped off a fastener and you struck your knuckles against the
firewall of your car, or it may have been you simply dropped a pencil or a
mug or a cup that you loved so much, and you broke it. Now, what was it?



Obviously, if you dropped your favorite mug on the floor and it broke, you
could look to that. What was it that you held this mug in such high esteem
that it was so important to you? And it comes down to the very fact that it
was all about *you*—not whether somebody bumped you and you dropped the mug
and broke it, but something in *you* that reacted to that. Now, if you are
the kind of person who blames another person for something that you did,
then you're projecting that on to another person, you're deflecting the
responsibility from yourself to someone else or something, but in reality,
it was you. When you come down to the existential fundamentals of your
existence, there is really only you and God. So, you need to get a handle
on yourself. Get yourself in control not by *forcing* yourself, but by
letting yourself flow with the goodness of the world, the goodness of
relationships, and the love that you share with others and others share
with you.



Now, if you feel that you are unlovable, what is it about you that is
unlovable?  What is it, when was it, and where was it that this
unlovable-ness became attached to you? This is vitally important. You are
now in the throes and the process of understanding your spirituality
through your emotional maturity. If you are not emotionally mature, then
you will not be spiritually mature. That is the simple lesson of your
humanity. That is one of the reasons why you are captives on this planet.
It’s one of the reasons why there's such gravity and why we do not espouse
and support your efforts for interplanetary or interstellar travel—because
you have a hard enough time containing yourself on this planet, let alone
*contaminating* other wonderful planets and species of beings and
civilizations.



So, it comes down to *you*. If you read This One's book that he and Avahlah
together on *Learning Centers for Sustainable Families*, and you go into
the program of that book on a learning center, you will find how to become
a complete person. And, of course, this is your responsibility as a parent
to assist your child and grandchild to become a whole person. So, when we
apply it to you, and you would apply it to yourself, how are you doing?
What level is your self-esteem? Is it a zero? Is it a one, a two, or is it
a 10 where you feel magnificent, and you know that you're loved? What is
your self-image? What is your self-worth, your self-image, your concept of
yourself, and so on? Those are all given in that document, in that
manuscript. We suggest that you read those. They are as applicable to you
to re-parent yourself as you parent your own children. Some of you were
never parented very well. You were abused, neglected, ignored, and so on.
And so, you were not able to learn all those facets of being a whole
person. Being a whole person is what you want to achieve as a mortal, but
you will not proceed further in your morontial career until you do achieve
that. And, of course, it is not a sudden process. There is no sudden *voilà*
and you are a whole person. Certainly not. No, it is a progressive process
by which you experientially come to know those things—both on this earth as
an experiential, material being and experientially as a morontial being.
You'll find that in the infinity of time, there are no miracles for you in
the morontial realm. It is totally experiential, and that is a matter of
accepting your power and that which resides within you—that through God,
all things are possible. Hopefully, you recall that from some of your early
learning. And so it is that God and you assist you to become a whole and
complete morontial being.



*Nine roles *



There are other roles that you need to learn as well—the nine roles which
we have spoken of a number of times where you would want to re-parent
yourself. If you do not know what a father is or a husband is, then you
will want to learn those roles. And there is a good deal of material
available through your libraries online about these nine roles that you
must learn as a person. The difficulty of being a parent is that you
oftentimes project the same vile ways you were raised and treated by your
parents, and you do the same thing to your own children. It is one of our
main, most important *intentions* at this time in your world now to teach
you how to become effective parents, and in doing so, that you might be
able to reparent yourself to become more effective. There are remedial
programs that you can engage in experientially in therapeutic situations
with a psychotherapist or some knowledgeable individual on how to
experience all these things, all these roles, all these levels of your
beingness. And of course, you want to do so because you want to become
perfect—you want to progress in your morontial career easily and as
completely as possible. And yes, there will be times when you will get
stuck, and this is when you consult with your guardian, you will consult
with your Thought Adjuster—the God presence within you—and you will consult
with your group leader and the team members you will work with as you
progress as a group forward in your morontial career. You'll have many
individuals that you can discuss your progress with, their progress, and
learn vicariously. This is the easiest way to grow in your lifetime—to do
so vicariously.



I have not disclosed all those elements. We wish you to review those pages
in that book as it will be first-hand knowledge to you. You in fact, may
want to print those separate pages out.



*Daniel:* This is Daniel, I think there's less than 20 pages—something like
that within that book which are pertinent. [Learning Centers for
Sustainable Families, Chapter 2 p. 15-23.]



*MM:* How to become a whole individual is your goal through your infinite
career. We hope this partial explanation I have given you teases you a bit
to look at yourself, to reflect on your life, to reflect on your anger—the
situations in the past which were so irritable and so disgusting to you
now. And so, you would want to know the “what” of it all, rather than the
“whys.” Thank you for your question.



*Stéphane:* And thank you for your elaborate answer—much appreciated.
There's anger everywhere these days. You watch the news, you watch [the]
media, and you get angry at what you see. That's why this topic is so dear
to my heart. We will study and revert (sic) in due time. Many thanks.



*MM:* Thank you.



*Seven sins, seven virtues, and the 7 core values*



*Liz:* It's good to be with you today. Like Stéphane I was surprised to
think of the “seven deadly sins” as emotions, and that reminded me of the
fact that there are *counterparts* to each of those seven deadly sins, and
they're the seven principal virtues: charity, faith, fortitude, hope,
justice, prudence, and temperance. And now in light of your wonderful
answer to Stéphane’s excellent question about repairing ourselves through
our emotions, I'm wondering if you would speak to dealing with our negative
emotions with one of these seven principal virtues.



*MM:* Gladly. There's a caveat involved though and that is [this:] I'm
going to take you back to the seven core values that are central to your
humanity and that are embedded in your DNA. The wonderful values that you
mentioned of hope and charity and so on, are secondary value emotions. They
are secondary because they are interpretations of the seven values that we
have mentioned before: of life, of equality, of growth, the quality of
life, empathy, compassion, and a generalized love for humanity. If you look
at those seven values and look at all the secondary values that you
mentioned, they all pivot on one primary value—Equality. Equality is the
primary value upon which all other values pivot, particularly as mortals
are concerned. If you do not treat yourself as worthy and deserving of hope
and of charity, then you are not equal to the divine being that God sees in
*you*.



If you do not have charity for others, then you do not see others as being
equal to yourself. When you are compassionate, you see within others,
through your empathy, their situation and you see yourself in a similar
situation as an equal in that difficult situation as the other is. And so,
in compassion, you reach out to assist that person as you are able. All the
difficulties of your world, of your humanity, and all the negation, all the
hate, all the violence, and all the chaos between people stems from one
value, and that is equality. You are equal to everyone else, and everyone
else is equal to you regardless of their height, their weight, the color of
their skin, their national origin, the racial composure, their ethnic
composure, their culture, and their gender. Now, when you remove all those
things, you of course would want to be tender to others. You would want to
be compassionate. You would want to be merciful, because for everyone you
see, you see yourself in them, and you see them in *you*.



The book on ethics (*Making Sense of Ethics*) describes these things very
clearly. Everything—all human emotions—are dependent upon equality. When
you realize that, you come to realize how despicable most people feel about
themselves, how loathing they are of other people as their loathing of
themselves. This may seem an unconscionable irony, but it is one which is
true. When you can love others as you love yourself—without bias, without
prejudice, without bigotry, without even opinions—then you love yourself
the same. And this is an extension of the answer that I gave to
Stéphane—you must see yourself as worthy and deserving of God's love, of
the love and care of your guardian angel, of the care and love and patience
as the planetary manager, myself, has for you. We care about you. Do you
care about yourself? Do you have prejudices against yourself? Do you have
bigotry against yourself? Do you love yourself? Do you feel worthy,
deserving, and so on?



This is a lesson for you, all of you today, to take to heart for in some
way, most of you are emotionally deficient in one way or another either as
a projection to yourself or to others. And usually there's no “or” there.
It is usually an “and” because if you feel hostile towards others, then you
feel hostile towards yourself because you know within yourself that you
lack the confidence to treat yourself as you treat others, and to treat
others as you would hope to be treated by them. What you hold in your mind
about others, you hold in your mind for yourself because you know that you
were capable of that towards yourself as well. It is through the false ego,
through the unworthy self that you treat others so despicably and secretly
inside yourself, you treat yourself the same way.



This is very difficult material for most mortals to accept, to swallow, to
integrate. You see, you are an integral system of positive emotions when
you do not get in your way of God loving you, you loving God, your loving
yourself the same way as God loves you, and loving other people the same
way. We hope this takes you beyond your question dear one. Thank you.



*Liz:* Yes, indeed. That was more than I bargained for. And it's going to
take me a while to digest everything that you said. I learned early in
sobriety that one way to work out my issues is by helping other people, and
of course, I know *many* people who have various levels of self-loathing.
And I'm wondering if there is a way that I can work on myself by helping
others. Is there an avenue for that?



*Reparenting*



*MM:* Yes. And it goes back once again to reparenting. You would want to
reparent yourself for were you to be loved by Jesus as your brother, [and]
raised by him, you would see that you have all the positive qualities, and
somehow you would then want to project that to others in your adulthood. It
is not an easy path. Helping others means helping yourself; it is reviewing
your whole life. One technique (and this is for Stéphane as well) is when
you see something in yourself that is despicable, loathing, or simply needs
a little working on—needs a little tuning up—you would go back to the
earliest time when you were made to feel that way by someone else. And so,
you as an adult now, would want to love that child in you at that time in
the same way, and you would grow that child with wisdom and guidance and
reparent that child in yourself in those moments. And had you had the
knowledge that you have now and could have given that knowledge to that
child then, you can see that the child would be empowered, and they would
be un-accepting of the negative situation that others had put them in. And
that now, even as a child in yourself for that time then, you know better,
and that you know that the untruths you were told to believe are no longer
valid and that you as the older brother, older sister to yourself, the
older sibling in yourself can assist yourself now to feel much better. And
that is to assist you to grow *forward*. You have heard the phrase, “pay it
forward,” and so what you're doing by reliving those times when you were a
child and advising that child as you are an adult now, you are paying
forward the deficits of the child then so that you can be complete now.
This is not a miracle, it is not impossible, it is not even ironic. It is a
truth. Thank you.



*Liz:* Thank you very much, Machiventa. I hope one day to get a big hug
from you.



*MM:* We all look forward to that. Thank you.



*JT:* Well, thank you, Machiventa for that master class in loving yourself.



*Animals can be a training ground*



*Craig:* Good morning Machiventa, everybody. I was just thinking along
those lines. A person may sometime have a dog or be in the presence of a
dog and treat that dog really nicely and give them a treat. The person
recognizes that it's just a dog and then they'll treat a person much worse
than they would treat the dog even though the person has much more value
than the dog I would think. Can you have a comment on that?



*MM:* Animals are good training grounds for maturing yourself. Some people
see dogs and kick them. They see the dog doing something that irritates
them, and so they treat the dog harshly even though the dog has really not
done anything toward that individual. So, the animal is a reflection of how
you treat yourself and how you treat others. And a dog that is raised by a
loving person, a loving family, will treat everyone who treats them well in
an equal manner *automatically*. It is not that the dog has to think about
it, but they see others as a reflection of the best parenting that they had
received when they were a puppy and being raised. And so it is that you
would want to do the same for others.



Having animals is a wonderful situation for many who were loved
conditionally. They had to do things to perform in order to be loved and
accepted. Whereas with the animals, animals love and accept you as you are,
and hope that you will reciprocate that same affection and love from them
and to them, thank you.



*Leading up to a cataclysmic collapse*



*Craig:* Another thought train was that you [can watch] YouTube, on the
web, and in the news and see what’s happening around the world and see this
sort of slow-motion train wreck of our civilization as people call it.
Yeah, we see this happening. And I was wondering, were the events that were
sort of unforeseen, like the insurrection in the Senate, the virus, and
reactions *to *the virus more than the virus itself, is the whole thing
accelerated by these events? We also see the physical limits that we’re
running up against because of our overpopulation and running out of
resources. Do you see the processes having been accelerated, or is it sort
of proceeding as expected? How is it going?



*MM:* Yes, how is it going? Well, from our reckoning, this acceleration
began with your world coming out of the Dark Ages and medieval times, and
it has progressed and is more rapidly occurring now as the
consciousness—the negation—that you sense in your world has progressed.
This is very well known to the planetary observers on Edentia and in
Salvington that this world has progressed and has been known to be growing
to this point where it can no longer sustain the old state of consciousness
simply because it is so self-destructive. Remember that a couple of
sessions ago we talked about how you live on a maladjusted planet. That it
is in many ways, I wouldn't say psychotic, but it is certainly not
organized, it is not intentional. Your world is not intentional, it doesn't
have those facets of an organized, holistic holism on a planetary scale.
And so it is that you—this world—is coming to a collapse. And it is
inevitable. Not every world, not every decimal planet has to go through a
collapse, but it is not unusual for decimal planets to do so. And that your
world is the heir to the products of the quarantine during those thousands
of years, and of the negativity of dominant individuals and cultures since
then.



You gather that the ill will of past generations has accumulated, and that
it is here standing in front of you and that your world will go through
this collapse of a major sort. This will not simply be a recession, or even
a bad depression. It will be cataclysmic as the conclusion and summation of
many cataclysms. This is the time for reflection beforehand. Just as you
have been instructed today to reflect on your past ills and past
difficulties, and not why you did it, but what you did to be in this
situation, so too now, is the time for you forward-thinking individuals,
futurists to be thinking: What is it that we did in the past that we must
correct. And not why we did it, but what we did, and what we did not *do,*
particularly, to support the sustainability of our survival, our progress,
and social evolution. You see, when you look backwards, you are always
looking back at “What did we do wrong?”, rather than “What did we not do
*right*?” And so, you want to work forward to right work and create right
solutions, and these are provided to you in the document that Avahlah and
This One have written entitled *Democracy, Planning for Recovery Before the
Coming Collapse*—*A Book of Hope*, the most recent document. I might add
that it is being well-received by the larger population that has looked it
over. It is the program that we espouse for what to do right to assist your
world to come out on top, to change its consciousness, to change its social
structures, and evolve socially so that social sustainability in the Days
of Light and Life are not some mythical, future event or situation, but one
that can be worked towards in pragmatic and experiential terms. I have
expounded far past the statement that you asked me to answer. I hope this
is sufficient for your satisfaction. Thank you.



*Craig:* Yes, very much so. Thank you. I think that was excellently said
and kind of ties in with various things we have been talking about.



*Rick:* Machiventa, it’s really an honor to be a part of this group.



*MM:* Thank you.



*More on emotional and spiritual maturity*



*Rick:* Regarding your... forgive me if I haven't been listening close
enough, but you mentioned that regarding the excellent question about
emotional maturity leading to spiritual maturity, and you referenced
Daniel's work with Avahlah. I know some of the papers like the reinvention
of the social science and the democracy paper by Avahlah, but could you
please share the name of the paper for emotional and spiritual maturity?



*MM:* There is not any one particular paper. It is perhaps most closely
related to *The Learning Centers for Sustainable Families*—that would be
most pertinent. Also, the fundamental one on *Making Sense of Ethics*. I
know many people have seen it, but have not read it. Within it you will see
what is moral, what is amoral, what is immoral in several sections. And
these are related to right thinking, right acting, right emotions, and so
on. Between these two manuscripts, if you took them to heart and you strove
to actualize them in your person, your being, your relationship with
others, and with yourself, you would eventually become a whole person, and
you would make great progress. When you add those to your meditations—to
your time alone with your Thought Adjuster (the God presence within
you)—and you begin to experience this personal dialogue with your spiritual
God presence within you, then you are well on your way to your early
morontial experiences and development here even as a mortal.



The parallels between civilization and an individual are very close.
Civilizations must mature. They must evolve socially and stop projecting
[their] problems on to other nations and to other cultures and see
themselves as principally and solely responsible for where they are in the
world. The maturity that you asked for is one of coming into wholeness
through the discussion that was given to Stéphane and to Liz. This is a
process of becoming whole and complete. If you look through these
documents, you will find bits and pieces here and there. It is primary to
being a whole person. I apologize for not giving you a succinct answer to
*a* document, but you will find the answers throughout these books and
through some of the best advice columns that you may read in the paper. The
source of wisdom is everywhere around you if you look for them, and you see
within them reflections of yourself becoming complete. Thank you.



*Rick:* And thank you Machiventa for the wonderfully in-depth and
meaningful responses you've shared with *all* of us today. I'm very
grateful.



*MM:* You're most welcome.



*JT:* I think I speak for more than just me when I say that it feels like
our session today reached us where we are a little more than usual. Do you
have a closing for us today?



*Our informality can feel very personal*



*MM:* Yes. In closing, you see that the informality of our discussion with
you today becomes very personal. It becomes very close to you. It hits you
in your earthly, mortal center where you are vulnerable, where you are
tender. And so it is that you must approach your vulnerable side before you
can become courageous to overcome your deficits that your vulnerabilities
reflect.



*Vulnerability and completeness*



Where are you most vulnerable? This is a question for yourself. These are
primary questions to reflect on: Where are you most vulnerable? Where are
you most tender? Where are you most likely to be crushed by someone else if
they raise an issue with you about that vulnerable, tender center? And this
of course is where you will want to become complete. You recall that Jesus
in his adulthood was complete. He was tender and he was vulnerable. He was
lovable simply because he had strength in himself, confidence in himself to
know that his vulnerabilities were the core of his humanness and it [comes]
through that point of contact with his God-centered self—his own Thought
Adjuster. And so it is in your vulnerabilities that you anew can be
attacked by another person at that vulnerable center, and you do not
crumble or crush, but you still love that person and you do not react in
anger or hostility. You are reaching the heights of your spirituality as a
budding morontial being in this lifetime. Thank you and good day



*JT:* Thank you Machiventa and thank you Daniel.



*Liz:* Wow. What a session.



*Craig:* That’s a good one.



*Rick:* Thank you, Daniel. Very moving.



*Daniel:* You ought to be on the inside of me now feeling what I feel!



*Liz:* Which is what, Daniel? How is it you’re feeling?



*Daniel: *Oh, gosh. You know, to have Machiventa speak through me in such
tender ways to you guys goes to the very heart of myself as a vulnerable,
tender, but loving individual. I've had over 20 years talking and then
intimately with Machiventa. It tends to make you whole and complete. I'm
not saying that I'm not vulnerable or that I don't have deficits, and that
I'm not perfect because I'm *not* perfect. It has required a lot of growth
on my part. God bless you.



*Liz:* Well, thank you for your service to all of us now and in the future.



*Rick:* Absolutely Daniel. Thank you.



*Craig:* You’ve done a marvelous job. Don’t let it go to your head.



Laughter all around.

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