[tmtranscripts] S.E. Idaho Transcript 4-5-02

[Bill Kelly]

SE IDAHO/Pocatello TeaM
April 5, 2002

Prayer (Bill): Let the peace which flows like a river enter your hearts and
minds to lift you up closer to your Source so that your heart may be filled
to overflowing.  Amen.

Daniel (Bill): Hello friends, I am Daniel, your beloved teacher, loyal
friend, true companion and staunch admirer, and oh yes, your brother.
(Group greetings.)  We are always overjoyed to be in your presence and feel
your sincere devotion to our efforts to parent you, as well as treat you
with brotherly kindness.  While we are not your true parents we do regard
you with fatherly/motherly affection and truly take great pleasure in you,
as individuals, and as a classroom full of eager pupils.  I want you to
understand that we are just as eager to meet with you as you are to meet
with us.  Tonight we have with us a teacher who you are familiar with, who
has been involved at times with a number of groups.  Tonight, therefor, you
could say this is teacher exchange night.  I give you teacher Rayson.
(Welcomed by group.)

Rayson (Bill): Hello dear Friends, I am Rayson, and I acknowledge your
welcome.  Indeed I have spoken with you on another occasion when I
announced to you that your Melchizedek in residence had been assigned.
Tonight's meeting is not for the purpose of that sort of announcement, but
is like the cross-pollination of the many beautiful flowers which grow in
the garden of the Teaching Mission.  My purpose in being here is to give
you opportunity to become familiar with me, and likewise for me to taste of
the nectar of your beautiful flowers so that I may take it to my hive where
it will produce honey of distinct flavor and nourishment qualities.

My friends, I wish to talk about the Evolving Supreme and our relationship
to Him.  On many occasions we find our thoughts stray beyond our minds in
ways that betoken the larger Reality that we are part of.  This larger
Reality is illusive to many mortals and only presents itself as a vague
sense of higher power or greater purpose.  I am not speaking here of
concepts of God as traditionally understood.  No, this is not a reference
to your Indwelling Spirit or to the First, Second, and Third Sources and
Centers, resident on Paradise.  It is your connection to this mysterious
greater Reality that ties you together with all others and makes your life
as a mortal of more than mortal significance.  Here, I refer to the idea
that one's purpose for living somehow transcends that individual.  

Historically many have thought that their purpose transcends their mortal
life by their perpetuation through their progeny.  Others have thought
their transcendent purpose carries on into the history of humankind through
their works, e.g.: music, art, architecture, science, philosophy, etc.
These ideas, in themselves, are laudable and accurate, but I refer to
something larger than even these concepts.  Can you understand what I am
referring to when I speak of  this nebulous sense of belonging to a greater
Whole which ultimately gives meaning to one's life?  Are you understanding?

Virginia: I understand that it is something that is very vague, that it is
something that is much greater and bigger and more supreme than I am, if
that's what you're asking.

Rayson (Bill): Thank you, Virginia.  I am prefacing my remarks with what is
a common experience of mortals before they understand their relationship to
the Evolving Supreme.  What I am suggesting is that there is an intuitive,
almost unconscious, awareness of this connection.  Your theologians have
grasped at times this understanding, but they have confused it with the
existential Trinity in Paradise and have concluded that God is evolving,
with the implication that God is not the transcendent, perfect,
everlasting, eternal Creator and Center of All Things, but is emerging from
the evolution of an otherwise chance universe; and that matter is becoming
conscious and evolving into God.  This is not an accurate understanding of
the existential God or the Evolving Supreme.  However, it is not my purpose
to fault your theologians, but I use them to illustrate one way of
responding to this intuitive, unconscious connection that they experience
and feel toward this vague Reality.  

You see, God the Supreme derives Spirit personality from the Trinity, but
derives His power and sovereignty from the evolution of the time space
universes.  You and I derive our personality, also, from the First Source
and Center, but our progress, our evolution spiritually and intellectually,
is a part of the evolution of the Almighty Supreme, Who, when the aspect is
fully integrated with God the Supreme, the Supreme will be manifest in
fullness.  Since the Supreme Being is incomplete and not fully manifest,
your sense of connection to Him/Her is incomplete and vague, at the mortal
level especially.  As we progress through the Mansion Worlds, become
citizens of Jerusem, and them move onto the Constellations, the sense of
the Supreme becomes more real; and yet it is only in Havona that we have a
greatly enhanced understanding of the Supreme.  

We are as cells in the body of the Supreme.  All the growth that we undergo
is part of the growth of the Supreme; and the growth of the Whole is
conducive of our growth as well.  While we think of ourselves as
individuals, and always we remain as individuals, at the same time we are
organically connected to the Supreme.  As He/She grows, we grow; and as we
grow, so does the Supreme grow.  Our status as sons and daughters of God is
a fact of our creation.  It is a matter of grace that we are children of
God.  It is not something that we earn in any sense.  However, our
contribution to the Supreme is a matter of our effort, and our contribution
matters greatly, for every person has unique endowments that, should they
fail to continue the ascension journey, that endowment is missing in the
fabric, in the organic unity, of the Supreme.

Your teachers gave you many interesting thoughts last session.  They dealt
both with your royalty as personality status, and your contribution through
your creativity of the evolution of the Supreme.  While they didn't use
those words that is the big picture of what really matters.

When you become fused with your Indwelling Spirit your horizons suddenly
take an astronomical leap in breaking the limitations of your mortal nature
as you absorb the knowledge which your Thought Adjuster can then share with
you as one unified personality.  At the same time that union enhances your
Adjuster's experience and in a microcosmic way this is indicative of the
growth of the Supreme.  When the Supreme Being is fully manifest then we
all shall know even as we are known.  We shall share the contents of what
has been termed the Collective Consciousness, not in tiny fragments, but in
full measure.  

Such a destiny is beyond your understanding and difficult for those of us
in morontial form to comprehend as well.  The Almighty Supreme is the
Evolving God of time and space, but another way of looking at this is: the
First Source and Center manifests within finitude, the realms of time and
space, for the First Source and Center is before time and space.  And while
He knows all things, and in Him all things consist, He gains freedom from
the limitations of eternity and infinity by experiencing finitude and
evolution.  The reality of this is so tremendous that it almost wearies the
mind to try to comprehend it!   We are part of God the Almighty Supreme, as
He is evolving!

The Creator Sons are a major part of the evolution of the Supreme; but in a
way we are microcosms of the Creator Sons, for we have within us the Spark
of Divinity, the Thought Controller, and we are creative.  We co-create
ourselves and in the process co-create with the Supreme.  So as you go
through your daily walk, as you "do your thing", as you take the ups and
downs of life in stride, expand your thinking so that you see your walk not
just as a smart animal upon an orphaned planet, but rather that you walk as
part of the evolution of God the Supreme, the Almighty Supreme, in a
universe ordered by love, reason, compassion, mercy and ultimate adventure!
 Your life is not a tale told in the night; your life is part of the great
adventure of Supremacy.

So let's get up from our beds of easy.  Let's throw off the shackles of
fear.  Be done with the worries and anxieties which beset you.  Rejoice
that you're partners with all others, who with God the Supreme, bring about
the completion of the Almighty Supreme and the resultant Supreme Being.

And then my friends, that is not the end!    For we postulate that when
Supremacy has been established the next and transcendent level of reality,
Absonity, will then began to evolve, for God the Ultimate is already in
existence.  But that is a long time in the future.

Well, I imagine I have stretched your vision rather severely, but I hope it
has given you a larger perspective which will encourage you on your march
through these days of great potential.  I will entertain questions on this
topic at this time.  Thereafter, Daniel will moderate questions on other
topics.  So, my friends, what are your thoughts and concerns relative to
what I have been telling you?

Bob S: Rayson, thanks for your coming and your words of stimulation.  This
relationship we have with God the Supreme, does it have a name?  Does it
have characteristics?  Are there other words that would help us understand
this concept?

Rayson (Bill): The relationship has been described as a child in the womb
to the mother who holds it, the mother being the Supreme, and the child
being yourself or others.  The relationship is one of effort, of
creativity, of progress, of growth.  Jesus described these two realities as
being "born of the Spirit", the first reality, your status as children of
God when you become faith-conscious of your sonship and daughtership, and
the other is "growing in grace and in the Spirit" which is your
relationship to the evolving Supreme.  The understanding of the need to
first of all accept your sonship/daughtership as a given is often confused
with the need to develop and work and grow.   People think that they
somehow earn their status as children of God, but that is incorrect.  Your
status as children of God is given to you by our Father; but your
relationship to the Supreme does emphasize and depend upon your effort,
your creativity, your accomplishment, your work.  I don't know of a name as
such, but I hope that I have described the relationship to some extent.
Does this help you, or do you need more information?

Bob S: I need more information [laughter], but I think basically I just
need to think about it.  It's such a difficult concept it is hard to get
your hands around it.

Rayson (Bill): As you know, in the Urantia Book there are several papers
which deal with this whole subject in much greater detail than my few words
this evening.  This part of the book has often daunted many readers and
they instinctively avoid it for it is so complex and so difficult of
understanding, but it is worth the effort to keep pursuing this information
because it is your own reality.  You see, all of God that you will
understand as a finite being is embodied in the Supreme.  Iit is not until
you reach Paradise that you will come face to face with the Trinity, but
even then your understanding of the Trinity will be limited to your
understanding of God the Supreme at that point.  We are taught that in the
next universe Age, in the seventh stage of Spirit, we will move beyond
Supremacy.  For now, however, it would be worth your efforts, all of you,
to make a serious study of the papers in the Urantia Book which spell this
out.  As a visiting teacher I will not make an assignment, however I
recommend this pursuit on your part.

Bob S: Thank you, Rayson.  Let me ask you one more thing.  Several times
you have talked about the necessity for hard work.  Earlier tonight we were
talking about the fear of hard work as one of the roadblocks to our
progress.  Would you care to comment on how the fear of hard work effects
our lives since you are suggesting that hard work is important?  Would you
have some words of wisdom for us in that regard?

Rayson (Bill): I will make an attempt.  The fear of hard work is a
generalized, all-embracing concept which should really be subdivided into
several kinds of fears of hard work.  First of all hard work is not
natural.  It is not part of your animal nature to enjoy hard work.  You
are, we were when we were mortals, constitutionality aversive to hard work,
both physical hard work and mental hard work.  Primitive men did not use
their minds except when they were hungry and had to figure out a way to
sustain their bodies, so you have that to start with.  It's a natural
inclination to be lazy.  Secondly many people, especially in earlier times,
experienced hard work as drudgery, as just doing the same difficult task
over and over and over again.  Sometimes you complain that housework is
drudgery, [laughter] because its accomplishment immediately erodes as soon
as you turn off the vacuum cleaner or put away the dust cloth.  A third
reason that there is people have an aversion is that they have not been
introduced to meaningful work as children.  Many of their efforts were
either belittled or not required by meaningful adults.  They have been
spoon-fed rather than learning to  take the knife and cut the meat
themselves.  Therefor, when the idea of hard work is presented to them it
is fearful because it has not been experienced and it takes the part of
fear of the unknown.  "Will hard work kill me?", they think.  On the other
hand, children who experience hard work such as  back-packing, carry on
their own back all they need to survive for a week or more, come away from
the experience with a new attitude, because this has been meaningful work.
This has been sustaining work, self-sustaining, and they have seen
beautiful things for their efforts.  There are undoubtedly other causes of
the fear of hard work, but those three probably account for most of it.  Do
you agree with this, Bob, or do you have some other ideas?

Bob S: No, I think you are right on target.  I hadn't thought of mankind as
being lazy.  [Laughter.]  Surely no one in this room is!  It is those other
people out there... but thank you for those words.  They were most helpful,
and I appreciate your efforts in that regard.

Rayson (Bill): You are welcome.  Yes, keep in mind this fact of human
progress.  Progress has only occurred under adverse circumstances.  When
people retreat to the jungles and the soft places there is no progress.  It
is only when primitive man faced the glaciers with their ice and the hard
times in the northern climes that he progressed.  And this is why that we
repeatedly tell you that adversity is your friend, because it challenges
you, and by your decision-making, progress is the result.

Bob S: Thank you.

Rayson (Bill): You're welcome.  I heard a lot of laughter that we are
inherently lazy as mortals.  I suspect that this laughter is a recognition
response.

Ken: Definitely.

Rayson (Bill): Here is the beauty of the ascension career.  It is not all
rest and it is not all work.  It is a lovely balance of both.  You've heard
that before.  Another thing I'd like to leave with you as a conclusion
about this question that Bob asked is: that you balance your work time
between drudgery, which may be necessary to some extent, and meaningful
work, which is creative.  You need both maintenance work and creative work
in order to be happy, in order to be fulfilled.  Now I will answer another
question which was asked earlier by you, Bob, as to whether inner peace is
a by-product or is a goal inherent in itself.  Do I have that correct?

Bob S: Yes

Rayson (Bill): The answer is inner-peace is both.  Inner-peace is a worthy
goal because it is not self-centered.  It is not the peace of ease; it is
not the peace of lassitude, but it is the confidence of the overcare of a
loving God and a universe of His loving associates.  It is that confidence
which undergirds the structure of your life, and it is a worthy goal in
itself because it is God's will that you be at peace.  It is also a
byproduct of your faith, of your trust, for if you are faithless and
unbelieving you have no peace.  It isn't quite the same as happiness,
because happiness is often pictured in selfish terms.  True inner peace and
true happiness are the result of knowing your relationship to the Supreme,
to God the Father, Son and Spirit, your true relationship to each other,
and your true nature as a son or daughter of God.  Does that clarify for you?

Bob S: No, [laughter] but it certainly is profound and it is something I am
going to have to think about. And again my thanks for taking a crack at
that question.  It was very informative.

Rayson (Bill): Are there other questions regarding my talk tonight on your
relationship to the Supreme. Otherwise Daniel will come on for a moment.
Are you afraid to say, "Rayson, it was as clear as mud"?  [Laughter.]

Bob S: I appreciate your willingness to take a crack at that difficult
subject.  The papers in the Urantia Book on the subject are not clear to
me, so I appreciate your efforts to enlighten us tonight.

Rayson (Bill): One moment please.

Minearsia (Bill): Greetings, my friends, this is Minearsia. I wish to say a
few words here with Rayson present as he was the one who introduced me
before my name was manifest to this group.  You have an embarrassment of
riches for you have many teachers and a multitude of supporters.  Do you
realize how truly fortunate you are?  Everyone has these supports, but not
everyone knows!  It is in your knowledge that your great fortune is
manifest.  Do not let emphasis on the negative, on the politics of revenge,
on an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, bring you down.  Your planet
is enormously varied in levels of spiritual growth, intellectual
understanding and social progress.  My words are to compliment Rayson's.  I
want you to not walk with swollen heads as if you are better than others,
but walk with confidence, knowing that the trail you are on is the path
that the Master trod.  Indeed are you fortunate!  

Practice your disciplines.  Keep rehearsing your instruments daily.  Ride
your horses as proud knights so that they don't lose their tone and you
forget the delicacies of balance.  Work hard, not because you enjoy the
drudgery, but because your work is of eternal significance, not merely of
earthly value.  And now Daniel would say a few words and offer another
question period if that is needed.  One moment please.

Daniel (Bill): I am Daniel, your friend, your teacher.  Thank you for
listening carefully to Rayson and to our brother Melchizedek, Minearsia.
Have there been other concerns that have been postponed due to our
infrequent meetings that you wish to address at this time or comments that
you wish to make?

Virginia: Daniel, a question that I have concerns Judas.   I really don't
understand that when he wanted advice he always when to his non-spiritual
friends! I just don't understand that, having followed a spiritual leader!

Daniel (Bill): Judas was a puzzle as a mortal.  You're wondering about his
propensity to seek bad advice.  This was puzzling to many.  Only Judas can
really tell you the answer to your question, my dear.  My sense is he had
no real trust in the Master or his companions.  He was as individualist.
He was very much attached to the materialistic interpretation of the
Kingdom of God, and as it became clearer and clearer that Jesus was not to
fulfill that understanding of the Messiah he became quite bitter. I
personally think he felt closer in soul affinity to those unspiritual
friends, but this is only my opinion.  What do you think?

Virginia: Well, I don't know what to think.  I think, in terms of myself, I
certainly would not go to someone who did not believe in God to ask for
major advice for my life.  It would, I think, turn me away from God and
spiritual things.  So maybe that was his problem, that he sought the wrong
advisors.  I just don't know.  It puzzles me.

Daniel (Bill):You have illustrated what I was saying, however, Letah.  You
would not go to someone whom you did not trust for their opinion about the
most important thing in your life.  (That's right.)  Judas found that Jesus
was not of his opinion regarding the kingdom, nor were the other apostles,
with the possible exception of Simon Zealotes.  However, his friends in
Jerusalem were in favor of the Messianic Kingdom of the Jews ruling the
world, so they were in more agreement with him.  Remember that Judas never
once sought out Jesus for a personal conversation, and he did not confide
in his fellows like the others did, so that he had no opportunity on a
personal level to change his ideas because he kept his distance
emotionally.  He put up that wall and he thickened it and thickened it, so
that their influence would not reach him.  But, again, Judas needs to reply
for himself to your question.

Virginia: Thank you, Daniel.

Daniel (Bill): You're welcome.  Are there other questions left over?
(Pause.)  Then I wish to comment to Carol.  I intend to address your
question on service very shortly, not tonight, but soon.  I hope this will
be to your satisfaction.

Carol: Yes, thank you.

Daniel (Bill): Very well, my friends, let us conclude our time together by
standing and holding hands once more.  Klarixiska desires to lead us in a
closing prayer.

Klarixiska (Virginia): Father, You Who are the true Parent to all of Your
creation, You who know the hearts of all of the mortals of Your realm, You
who have given the great source of inner peace--of desire for service to
each one of normal mind, we thank You!  We thank You for the gifts; we
thank You for the desire to become the potential that You see; we thank You
for the very life that causes us to move and walk in Your direction.  May
the true desires of our hearts be expressed until we meet again in the
Teaching Mission of Progress.  We thank You that You do desire us to be
perfect, but You see us that way already...and we give thanks.  Amen.
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