[tmtranscripts] 08-10-03 Rio Ranch NM TeaM
Gerdean O Bowen
zooidodell at juno.com
Mon Aug 11 20:40:18 PDT 2003
A 14-page document, sent as e-mail and as a Word attachment
Date: August 10, 2003
Location: Rio Rancho, NM USA, Mary Jos home
Teachers: Tomas and Anatolia
Topics: The Unification of Souls on Purpose
Our Purpose, Your Purpose and Other Purposes
The Temporal and Finite; the Invisible and
Infinite
Being Spiritually Ready
Discussion: The difference between Personal & Public Ministry
T/Rs: Gerdean for Tomas; Matthew for Anatolia
Music: "Here I Am" Piano solo, Dorenda
Prayer: (Matthew): [prayer joined in progress, as the
recording device was not in the correct mode to record the beginning of
the prayer]
what we have is the moment and the hope and expectation that you are
with us every moment even when we are not familiar, aware or conscious
of your presence or our presence before you, always. For that we seek
enlightenment and encouragement that all is well and we have nothing to
fear.
We pray that the teachers today will bring messages that will be
beneficial and that aid our growth and development which logic and
everything else defines what else would it be but that? But for our
comprehension and our growth as a result, we place ourselves before you
and our Heavenly Father and Heavenly Parents, now and always.
For the concerns in our hearts that are spoken or unspoken we place those
with you now as well.
In appreciation forever, we are forever one. Amen.
Gerdean: Tomas is here.
Group: Greetings. Hi, Tomas.
TOMAS: Good afternoon, my dear friends.
I am quite enthused about our gathering today, as I am every week, and as
you are developing a yearning to respond to the Divine, which now you
know permeates and personalizes throughout Infinity. Within you lies the
Infinite, even as you the mortal are Finite. The resolution of those
two formidable Realities constitutes your Reality as a Living Soul ready
to participate in the affairs of your assignment.
You have with you surrounding you and in you underneath you and over
you the blessed Trinity in one representation or another. But your
willingness to grow along the lines of the assimilation of the Reality
that Indwells you and the Reality that you are co-creating is an
Invisible and Invincible part of Creation. Yes, thus, as I see you go
about your lives in good cheer and spreading the Love of Divinity to
those you meet in your lives is enough to render me enthusiastic about
our work and about our future.
But this is Faith! As we sit here in company this afternoon, we are
gathered in Faith. Can we feel the Faith that is palpable between us,
among us? Can we feel the atmosphere of the Celestial Kingdom? This
Divine fellowship is your Supernal Destiny in the Infinite sense and the
Assignment in a Finite sense. For we will bring about Light and Life one
day for all Urantia, as you are experiencing and enjoying its nature
today.
As you bond together as family, you sustain each others Faith Path not
from a meek need to lean on your fellows, but to stalwartly stand strong
next to one another. Each of you carry your task of Soul Survival into
the Union of Souls. And this effort is for the Supreme. The Supreme
becomes Realized as an Effect from the Cause that we put in motion by our
combined Divine will to see His will manifest in all things, in all
matters and in every manner.
You are a fortress. Within yourself you are a fortress. In your core
resides the Divine, and you reach inward and upward to ascertain your
Path that which it feels for you. This is foremost for your Reality.
And you also as a group are a formidable force. For when the time comes
and when you have all performed according to Divine will following
Divine Pattern undertake together a function, an organization, a
service, a project or a worship, you will be more effective because of
your Joint Consecration to having His will be done. This is Community.
This is the Fellowship of men and women which will lead the way into
Light and Life. This is our Assignment.
And it gives me great joy to perceive you living out your Assignments,
but I want to point out to you that there are Other Assignments. There
are Other Paths which are formulated and have been created by Deity and
that have Other purposes and Other worlds and Other Assignments
depending upon the circumstances of Universe development which is
necessary and available to be done and called into being for That Purpose
and for That Period of Time of Reality Development that contributes also
to the Evolving Supreme in these many worlds of Time and Space, in these
many facets of Universe Discovery. The Hand of God is at work.
This will give you Peace, to know that while you know everything you need
to know Infinitely, it is a part of your Eternal Career to always find
and discover that which is Different from you ~ redeemed and beloved.
Such is the Family of Man and the nature of the Worlds of Time and Space.
Such individuality of Purpose also manifests in the Invisible Realms of
all the seven superuniverses, and not excluding Havona even Paradise
defies definition for its different Facets of Reality.
And so you are invited to avow a Loyalty to the Divine which transcends
your Cultural Perspective, thus leaving the door open to learn to love
yet more about our Source as we advance into Perfection.
The establishment of these Individual reflections of the First Garden of
Eden is essentially a striving to attain the Perfection of Edentia, your
Constellation Capitol. And so, even while each of your Gardens are
Temporal and Finite, they also reflect the ideal of the Invisible and the
Infinite. This balance is a State of Grace, indeed. And we are joyed to
observe your attainment and the subsequent effects which is a
furtherance of the Reality of God through the Mortal Brotherhood of Man.
Ive concluded my remarks from the podium. I relinquish the floor.
Matthew: Anatolia is here.
ANATOLIA: Welcome, all, this fine Sunday one in which, some of you
anyway, have reason to celebrate
a near torrential rain, yesterday
which, whenever it occurs in the desert, is most welcome and certainly
needed. This is what its like in terms of bringing Good News to those
who wait, those who are eager to learn, as the Soul seeks nourishment and
thirsts for righteousness, as your desert conditions so ably demonstrate.
That without the Kinder side of Life as rain demonstrates Life can be
harsh, severe and certainly without encouragement or nurturing.
This one of the lessons for today in terms of being Spiritually Ready.
When the time arrives for those who are seeking Truth and wish to
demonstrate Goodness and are dedicated to being, sharing and seeking Love
we benefit by being mindful of what is happening and why. Much can be
gained from the experiences that Life has to offer. And if you are paying
attention you will most likely be able to derive the message that is
intended to be directly given as well as the more subtle messages which
may appear immediately if not later, upon hindsight.
What Im speaking of is much like your desert conditions. Your life here
in the mortal state is somewhat similar and often, without rhyme of
reason, Time, Circumstance or Opportunity lend themselves to your
ordinary experience as Extraordinary influences and encouragements upon
your everyday life. Much like the rain when it is needed long overdue
and very much appreciated these New Opportunities, Insights and Gifts
to the Spirit are just that brought to you when it is necessary,
helpful and most of all Life-saving and reorienting.
What I am talking about is that Life, if you are Living it, lends itself
to Growth, lends itself to New Experience, and lends itself to
Opportunity while being awaited, Arrives when it is Most Necessary. So
whenever you are feeling that your time has been, your days of
opportunity, your moments of insight have already been experienced, let
me assure you that this is NOT the case. You will continue to experience
and to grow and to have insight for to not to is to have shut off your
Life Support, to have turned off your Light and thrown away the cord.
This is not within your nature, or within your being, to be the case.
So I encourage you that when it is apparent that discouragement and
disappointment may prevail, that this like the awaiting of rain will
be overridden, will prevail as Life will prevail.
I encourage you to continue to seek and you will find. This is the
essence of Faith. Not that you simply believe, but that you continue to
seek that which you need in all respects for your Life here is
3-dimensional. In that respect you have all types of back-dropping. You
are not simply placed as a gumdrop upon a white sheet of paper in a white
environment that is stark and without stimulation, color and depth.
Rather, you have everything you need to allow yourself to grow and to be
the Full Force of your being, both here and throughout eternity.
I encourage you to seek this, your continued growth and understanding,
even in the moments when it appears unlikely and that you have been
forgotten among the fauna and rocks and other items of the desert. Bloom
eternal, my dear ones, and know that you are as precious as the most rare
of desert flowers. For this is where you are thriving where there is
infrequent rain, plenty of sun, and otherwise hope springs eternal. I
will offer you my solace and my encouragement and support every step of
the journey until we meet in person and share the opportunities for
growth and stemming throughout your galaxy.
I leave you in good stead knowing that the Fathers Spirit guides you
always as He guides me. Peace be with you, and may you return, when we
meet again, in full and living color, happy to be alive and with one
another. Until then, peace be with you.
Group: Thank you. Thank you, Anatolia.
TOMAS: She shall not get rid of me that easily. (Group chuckles) I am in
contact with Anatolia on a daily basis, you would say. It is my pleasure
to often share with my co-teacher, Anatolia, and many others, what we
speculate to be the emerging of the Divine Plan for you and for us in
this fundamentally unique situation that we find ourselves in, in this
assignment with you.
And so it comes to the point in our gathering that involves us more
closely with you in terms of your work in the field of your undertaking,
of your Assignment and your speculations as to what His will is in your
realm and how you go about living within it. The floor is yours. Are
there questions?
Elena: Yeah. I have a question about a situation that I cant quite
shake. No matter who I talk to -- mother, and I talked to my sister, and
everyone about and I felt this morning it turning around a little bit,
and I think it might be a good thing to share with the group.
I have a friend who I feel relatively close to. I really like her very
much. I had the feeling that we were honoring and respecting one
anothers spiritual paths forward certainly I was hers. And this week
shes a member of a more fundamentalist kind of group and this week I
sent an email to her and a couple of other people at work something
Ill probably NEVER do again! -- but I got kinda lambasted by her and
just showered with scripture with red letter highlighting of the King
James Version and she said that the phrases in our lessons were changing
the quotations of Jesus and that this (our studies) was the devils work
and mentioned that I was participating in a cult and I just - whoa!
Ive been trying to shake this off and I havent been able to yet.
Frankly in the email, I prefaced it saying by that I wasnt pushing
this toward anyone, but that wed gone through (at work) such a difficult
two-week period that this particular lesson from Abraham might be helpful
to somebody else, too. And whoa! I got it right between the eyes. This
person can just kinda dissect me and eviscerate, ya know? in all
directions. I feel like I need to be more focused myself, but Im still
having difficulty just shaking it off.
Menopah: Well you know, Dorenda, Ill say to you what I might say to
Janet (Paula) you dont want to carry that baggage with you. You just
mustnt do it. You need to forgive that person whoever they are and
be done with. I call it baggage. Its a kind of grudge. But I know
your intentions are good. I think sometimes, you know, our intentions are
good but they just dont seem to work out
Esmarelda: I think Dorenda (Elena), though, was really hurt by it and I
think that, that is what she cant shake that feeling of being hurt.
Elena: Yeah.
Paula: Nobody else has the right to be judgmental. So if I were you I
would cut her right smack out my life. (Group responds with loud
laughter) I would. I would. If she decides that she can tell you what you
should do or not do its none of her goll-darned business (more group
laughter) and she ought to just get lost and out of your life. We dont
need people in our lives who interfere with the way we are headed. Just
like if somebody would say to me "dont buy that house you dont need
that especially at your age." Well phooey on em. Because its none of
their business. So Id just say youve got loads of good friends and
close friends who think the world of you and if theres somebody who is
criticizing you Drop em! You dont need them in your life. Just X them
right out! (more laughter) And thats my opinion
not somebody elses.
Menopah: And youre stuck with it. (lots more laughter)
Thoroah: I had a very similar situation. My cousin, who I grew up with,
who was the closest person on the planet to me when I was growing up --
outside of my parents and sisters. We were always very close. And it
wasnt until I found the Urantia Book which he turned me onto that he
gave me the same type rhetoric and the type of reaction to it it (the
UB) being so foreign to the doctrine and dogma of his fundamental beliefs
- that he said it was the "devils stuff" that I was involved with.
The part about all of this that makes it even more perplexing is the
friendship and the closeness that seems to suddenly just be worthless
because of this different track of belief and thats what is probably
the most hard thing to overcome how do you return to that respect, and
well, we even ended up, my cousin and I, not communicating. We tried
but we couldnt. We couldnt without antagonizing each other, and so I
just let him go and let him believe the way he wants to believe and Im
not going to try to communicate with him for the time being because no
matter what I try or no matter what he tries, we always think the other
is trying to do some persuasion in there. Its just the way the chemistry
is, and no matter if its innocent or not, the other one suspects the
other one of trying to sell them somehow and it just has to be let go
of and grown into a whole other thing, I guess.
Esmarelda: Well, I think that some people are just not ready to accept
anything other than just the King James Version. And I know several
people who take it absolutely verbatim and exactly every word as it is
written and theres nothing else. I know I was talking to one person and
he started talking -- this man brought up the subject of religion and
then he asked me what I believed and I told him that we were into the
Urantia group and we did for lack of a better word for T/Ring
channeling and he said, "Oh, that couldnt be possible because when
Jesus was on the cross he said, "It is finished." and that he meant
nothing more to ever say to us on earth.
And another person that I talked to about it just thought that I was
probably somewhat like what Deborah (Elenas friend of reference) said
about Elena, that she might be misleading others and was being misled
herself, and thats what this person said to me. And so with that I
concluded that my missionary work needed to just take a different channel
and not try to - in any way elaborate - even though both of these people
brought up the subject to me of their beliefs. And so I decided that I
was just going to live my life and be a friend to man here on my own
little corner, and thats about the best I can do.
Thoroah: Friendships have a way of deteriorating when you start sharing
beliefs. You can get along with someone, and as long as you dont know
what their belief system is in so many words but you work together
and get to know each other and you build a relationship and thats their
religion thats their Real Religion where they really live, but when
people try to Speak about their religion then it separates people. It
seems like a road to division.
Esmarelda: Well, I dont understand that exactly because Im fascinated
by what others believe because I think that what everybody believes
were actually all believing in the same Father, but we have a different
way of interpreting. And I think everybody is entitled. And I dont know
why some people are so quick to say, you know, "My ways the way and your
way is wrong." I dont think that your way is wrong. For them, that is
their belief and thats all good. I think that all religions have their
place.
Menopah: I think when you start saying that, youre on some very shaky
ground--
Esmarelda: If you say that all religions are okay?
Menopah: No
if you say "The right way is my way. Heres the way. This is
the way for YOU to live."
Esmarelda: I just dont think we really and
.
Menopah: Were all on a path and were all trying to understand. And
thats just about where we are.
Thoroah: It shakes peoples confidence when they see somebody else
believing something and if it works for them (the others). It shakes
their confidence in what they believe, because they arent necessarily
believing what they believe; theyre believing what theyve been told to
believe or led to believe. Theyre not really sure about what they
believe and so their confidence is shaken, and the only way they can
regain confidence is to continue to think that they have the right way,
that "others" have the wrong way. But basically I dont think that they
have enough of a core belief of their own so they are confused.
Esmarelda: Well, I just think people are short on understanding and some
are very narrow minded.
Menopah: Ive had to abandon some my own beliefs that were instilled in
me since I was a little kid. My grandparents were staunch Southern
Baptists they are fundamentalists by-and-large and Id been taught
and come to believe that it was absolutely necessary for Prince Michael
to abdicate his Godly attributes and come to this earth because of the
SINFUL condition of man passed on to us We didnt commit the sin in
the Garden of Eden but Adam and Eve our forebears did, and so I thought
that was passed on to us and it was absolutely necessary for Christ to
come in order to tip the scales back and make them even. And, well, I
dont know about that. I really dont. Not now, I dont.
Paula: Well, Carls (Menopah) heard me say many times that the Bible is a
great book, its a wonderful book, but we have to stop and remember that
it wasnt written by somebody with their finger coming out of the sky. It
was written by men! People. Just ordinary people. Well they were good and
holy I guess.
Menopah: They wanted to believe they had the hand of God on them. You
know that they were inspired, at least.
Paula: They were inspired and all that, but you dont take the Bible
.
As it says in our church, you respect it but you dont take it literally,
word-for-word, because as I say, it was written by men. When Christ was
born and lived people just didnt have things put down in writing.
TOMAS: Im going to interrupt, if I may. This is Tomas and I have
thoroughly enjoyed your discussion. I encourage discussion of this ilk in
the future. I am not meaning to stop your discussion, but to commend the
way you have comported yourself in this gathering. In the interim it has
given us all a fine opportunity, from this side, to observe the
complications of the condition of the religious status of your
civilization in the realm in which you work. Not that we were not aware
of that already, but as it relates to you, the students, that we work
most intimately with.
The evolved religions all have contributed greatly to the advancement of
spiritual concepts and even more recent religions which have emerged, not
excluding Mohammedanism, Bahiaism and the many modern isms of a
spiritual nature. These all reflect the values inherent in the time and
place of the peoples who convened together to create the religion, to
support the culture that developed around those core spiritual needs, in
that geographic area at that point in time.
These differences now are a result of the many ways the Spirit has
developed. None of them are wrong. And for anyone, obviously, as you have
discovered in your discussions, to testify that this is right not only
for me but for you as well, is in fact extending beyond the boundaries of
civility that show respect for the personality of man, and that includes
his religious background and personal commitments -- to deity any other
important aspects of Life that presents a Value sacred to that individual
and/or that group of individuals.
Now you live in a Christian country, even though it is generously infused
with many other religious aspects at this point in time. But even among
Christendom there are many differences. Even now there is a new schism
going on in the Church, having to do with the nature of Church, its
devotees, its proponents and the like. These serve a purpose these
different groupings for different reasons at different times - and the
option is yours to adapt, merge, discern, discard, ignore, or discover
that which has Value. For this is the Right of Choice, the sanctity of
free will.
Even words can confuse the issue when you talk about matters close to the
heart of people. This is why I often stress defining your terms, for
what may mean "born of the spirit" to you may mean something completely
different to someone else. And so the ultimate path to take, for those of
you who discern the Value of evolving life as well as the ideals of
Infinity, is to do as you have been admonished in your teachings, and
that is to LIVE that which you believe rather than to ESPOUSE what you
believe.
As in parenting, it is how you live your life that your children are
impressed, and not by what you Tell them. But what they tell you can
certainly cause havoc in your mind, and until such time as you can
discern through your own Spirit of Truth what bearing that has on your
Spiritual Path, you will, as Menopah indicated, be carrying around a lot
of baggage. But that, again, is for individual discernment as to what
matters and what doesnt matter when it comes to their Right to Be
Themself and to reflect that self, even Imperfectly, as they go about
Doing Good" as they see it. This does, indeed, lend great texture to the
quality of Life that you Live -- you who are conjoined with the planet
Urantia, this most fascinating sphere.
There is no answer a broken heart except to mourn and pass to the next
Love Affair Life presents. In your scenario, Elena, there is no call for
anyone to abruptly slam the door on your Pearls, no matter how silly,
inane, or mistaken they may be. And thus you grieve, and that is what you
are experiencing. Because you have been wounded, in your innocence and
your naivete. But this only a temporary momentary setback, and from
this experience you will emerge having learned something
NOT cynical,
not bitter, not about the depravity of the human limitation, but of Hope
and Sportsmanship that will enable you to make more wise choices in your
future actions as it concerns your presentation of Truth, Beauty and
Goodness.
Paula: All I can say is, anybody who is so short-sighted and stupid to
criticize you in any way needs to have their head examined, and when
people try to interfere with your life like that, theres only one thing
to do and thats to just cutem dead. Youve got a lot of good friends.
You dont need people like that in your life. I had one like that in my
life and Im cutting him dead, believe me.
TOMAS: This is another one of those instances where in a definition of
terms would be most helpful. The phrase, "cutting him dead," Paula, is a
murderously unfriendly phrase. (group laughter)
Paula: I meant it that way!
TOMAS: You can rephrase your terminology to not be so ugly, yourself.
Paula: Well, Im ugly then.
TOMAS: You are not! and this is my point. You can certainly stick to your
values and indeed, feel as if they need to be upbraided and have their
mouth washed out with soap. This is "cutting him dead." Even refusing to
invite him to your next tea party, because this is sociably acceptable
behavior. But when I hear my student, you, my precious child, speaking
with such words as to vilify a bystander is an occasion for me to "cut
you dead" and point out to you that you can do better. You have a rich
vein of Truth within you, but you have been brought up by your mortal
parents to have a better expression of propriety, and this goes a long
way toward retaining your spiritual fragrance. You have so much to give,
you shouldnt discolor yourself with those barbs.
But for those of you who think that our child here is worthy of "cutting
her dead", shutting the door on her, and never speaking to her again
think again. For even the most beautiful rose in the garden has thorns.
And there is no doubt in my mind that, while Paulas thorn is evident,
there are other prickly aspects of each of you that are perhaps more
subtle or buried in the foliage, but there is not one among you who is
completely perfect.
Esmarelda: Tomas, I think that Paula, too, at that time was, because of
her love for Dorenda (Elena), was being a defender of Dorenda (Elena).
TOMAS: It is a natural part of Valor that you defend your loved one. This
is a natural inheritance, yes, in the noblest of animal characteristics.
But in the Spirit, it is entirely unnecessary for the Father does not
need defending.
Paula: Im a real stinker! I am! (much laughter and we love you you
are adorable - everybody loves you from the group) But Im sure not a
bit holy because when people hurt somebody that I care about, I dont
want anything to do with them. And I feel that you have plenty of good
friends why should you continue being friends with somebody who is not
worthy of it.
TOMAS: (interjecting) Obviously that thorn is going to prickle for quite
a while. Can we move along?
Elena: Okay, but I appreciate all of you and I thank each one of you for
your thoughts. Each one of you had something that did help me with the
situation and I really appreciate each one of your comments. So thanks to
each and every one of you
and I am including Tomas too.
TOMAS: I will add to that then. I will suggest that you respect the
difference between Personal Ministry and Public Ministry. Within the
realm of Personal ministry, you are assisted in the Presence by the
Father through your Adjuster, by Michael, through your Spirit of Truth,
and the Mother Spirit through all the Adjutant Minds Spirits, and they
can not only help you, they can deliver the Goods.
But when you speak to a vast audience or in an impersonal media such as
the internet or correspondence to a group of people, you have a different
set of rules to follow because the receptivity capacity of your Hearer is
different than it is in the intimacy of a fond embrace. Thus, in future
you can protect yourself from such losses by developing Diplomacy in your
outreach -- unless, of course, like Paula, you dont give a hoot!
Elena: Well, sometimes thats even helpful too.
TOMAS: Yes. There is no doubt in my mind that any one of you would go to
nearly any lengths to support that which was Beautiful, True and Good in
your mind. And this does establish you as reasonable human beings. I am
simply asking you to become Superhuman.
Esmarelda: We want to be, too.
Elena: Well, that is the intention, I mean I do want to convey that
perfection. Like in todays lesson, I forget whether it was you or
Anatolia said that
well, it was Anatolia it was the rain and what
came after the rain
and each circumstance that we were given had fruits
to come from each one of those, that may not be evident at that
particular time but with hindsight or further looking at it had things
that would flower and emerge.
So actually this is good for me because each one of your perspectives has
provided me with that, and instead of just being hurt, Paulas help of
trying to bolster me up a little bit, has kind of helped separate me from
the hurt, too. So this is extremely helpful. It really is. Each one of
you and certainly Anatolia and you, too, Tomas. The Diplomacy and the
need to learn further so that I can be more effective is certainly my
aim.
TOMAS: There is also something to be said for Assessment of a situation
as compared to pre-judging a situation. If you intend to pre-judge a
situation before you have even beheld it, you have closed out the
possibility of Joy as well as pain. But to have experienced the pain and
said, "I dont want to experience that again," you are not coming from a
negatively prejudiced point of view. You have experienced and thus you
are coming from a point of experience. And yet as we discussed, in the
ever-changing, ever-growing, ever-expanding, ever-developing,
ever-illuminating Life that you are living in the Spirit while in the
flesh you are able, at any time at any moment on any day, to discard
the Realities that were effective in former times for the New Reality to
present itself today.
And so the Path includes a constant flow of forgiveness forgiveness for
the Ignorance that is inherent in an evolving world. Not only your
Ignorance but Others Ignorance. It is innate in such a life on such a
planet. Yet, your consistent reaching for that which is True and
Beautiful and Good, in you and in your fellows, is the most effective
tool to thwart the darkness and the Ignorance that is often the Prevalent
Reality.
When we meet again we will continue our rapport, and yet I feel our
afternoon has peaked and is waning. In these waning moments of our
sanctuary, have you any other matters at hand to bring to our attention?
(long silent pause) I will leave you, then, in this marvelously pregnant
moment that is filled with potential Life and Devotion. Amen and
farewell.
Group: Thank you, very much. Thank you, Tomas. Thank you.
"Life, and therefore love, is eternal."
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